What Consciousness ''feels'' like without perception?

[koops]

So, you could have an awakening, realize you are God, Oneness, but still, ''you are seeing/perceiving'' the chair in front of you.

Is it really possible to just be, without perception? My guess is that even if you have a (sober) awakening, you can't eliminate the senses. 

Or with a high dose of 5meo or similar, can you really lose all perception and just 'be'?

 

[koops]

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

Perception can be dissolved.

How?

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

The 5 senses are a veil. They create the illusion of subject - object relations. Cause and effect. 

Still you can awaken, realize God, and you keep seeing things and objects although you realize their true nature. But the chair is still there.

[Princess Arabia]

Perception is an illusion and no one awakens to oneness. No one knows anything. The senses aren't real. Nothing is real. It's all a bag of bunches of nothing appearing as.....isn't that great.

[Hojo]

Like you roll down the windows on the highway

[Natasha Tori Maru]

In this scenario - just perceptions removed? 

Thoughts remain and awareness? Or thoughts removed also

[koops]

3 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Synchronize perception with what is being perceived. For example, put on a song, and instead of listening to it, become it. Same goes for the rest of the senses. Merge it all into one single sense, then dissolve that too.

Dissolving perception is not something you do, perse. It's something that happens when identification with sensory input is seen through.

 

Still, if you have a stomach ache or you are listening to music, and you have and awakening, you still hear the music and you still feel the stomach pain. 

My question was more in reference when people say things like: When you die you become pure Consciousness.

So, you can realize that while in human form, but when you die you wont have that stomach ache or that music in the background.

[koops]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In this scenario - just perceptions removed? 

Thoughts remain and awareness? Or thoughts removed also

you can include thoughts. but was referring more to the sensory perceptions. 

 

[Aaron p]

I think Leo said perception is an illusion that we project onto consciousness. The answer might be that perceptions don't exist. But I have no realisation on that shit yet. Although I just now got a massive intuitive sense that contemplating this idea could be really fucking powerful. Cuz at the most fundamental level, what we think everything around us is, are perceptions. That is like the standard baseline that we hold to, even people here would likely hold that. Challenging the notion of perception could be like challenging the cornerstone of something massive. A better question might be "what is perception [made of]?" Like, actually.

Edited October 15 by Aaron p

[koops]

27 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

I think Leo said perception is an illusion that we project onto consciousness. The answer might be that perceptions don't exist. But I have no realisation on that shit yet. Although I just now got a massive intuitive sense that contemplating this idea could be really fucking powerful. Cuz at the most fundamental level, what we think everything around us is, are perceptions. That is like the standard baseline that we hold to, even people here would likely hold that. Challenging the notion of perception could be like challenging the cornerstone of something massive. A better question might be "what is perception [made of]?" Like, actually.

Yes, he said that, and I had an awekening, but even if perception is an illusion (there is no self and no other to perceive), even in that 'state' of Oneness, the chair in front of you is there, or the pain you have in your hand. 

Thats my confusion. Seems like there is no way to be pure Consciousness (Being) while in the body...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, koops said:

you can include thoughts. but was referring more to the sensory perceptions. 

 

Do I have prior experience of perceptions in this state? I am wondering if thoughts would even be generated without the sense faculty that arises from duality (if no duality had ever been experienced). 

It comes to me one needs the body to perceive. So to be in a state of being with no perception would mean....no body required? No body would be perceived. No existential thing to generate an experience of thoughts. How odd... Not sure where I am going there 🫠

[Hojo]

Its like your physical light body is on earth and the qualia of your perceptions of this light body  is on mars. 

Edited October 15 by Hojo

[koops]

11 hours ago, ivankiss said:

To dissolve all of those equals death. And that equals pure infinite consciousness.

 

Exactly my question. So pure consciousness (dissolving all the rest) in human form is not possible? Thats my point.
Becaues in human form there is always something more, touch, sound... even in Oneness.

 

[Leo Gura]

19 hours ago, koops said:

Is it really possible to just be, without perception?

Yes.

You will be just Truth/Existence without any content.

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Or with a high dose of 5meo or similar, can you really lose all perception and just 'be'?

You do not need to lose perception, you can just become conscious that all perception is occurring within Truth/Existence.

Truth/Existence is the emptiness you are refering to. You are refering to the conditon of Truth. Truth exists regardless of content or form. If you eliminate all perception and the entire universe, what would remain is just empty Truth.

What you haven't understood yet is that what you call perception or awarenss is about the condition of Truth.

Truth exists at all times. Truth is what illuminates perception and gives awareness.

Awareness is not what humans think it is. It's just Truth.

Truth is everpresent. Truth is Absolute.

Edited October 16 by Leo Gura

[vibv]

22 hours ago, koops said:

So, you could have an awakening, realize you are God, Oneness, but still, ''you are seeing/perceiving'' the chair in front of you.

Is it really possible to just be, without perception? My guess is that even if you have a (sober) awakening, you can't eliminate the senses. 

Or with a high dose of 5meo or similar, can you really lose all perception and just 'be'?

 

You can feel pure being even while you perceive the world as usual.

[koops]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You will be just Truth/Existence without any content.

You do not need to lose perception, you can just become conscious that all perception is occurring within Truth/Existence.

Truth/Existence is the emptiness you are refering to. You are refering to the conditon of Truth. Truth exists regardless of content or form. If you eliminate all perception and the entire universe, what would remain is just empty Truth.

 

Thats my question. My guess is that is death. You said one of these days that you can shoot yourself in the head and even then you will be more conscious (of something like that).
So my point is: whats the phenomenology of that? Pure Nothingness? Just like when we sleep? But then, is that being conscious?

I dont get how can you be conscious when there is nothing.

Does it makes sense?

 

 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, koops said:

Thats my question. My guess is that is death. You said one of these days that you can shoot yourself in the head and even then you will be more conscious (of something like that).
So my point is: whats the phenomenology of that? Pure Nothingness? Just like when we sleep? But then, is that being conscious?

I dont get how can you be conscious when there is nothing.

Does it makes sense?

Nothing IS Consciousness. That's what you are missing.

But also, once you are free of the human dream other higher dreams become possible.

Attachment to the human dream precludes more advanced dreams.

Edited October 17 by Leo Gura

[koops]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing IS Consciousness. That's what you are missing.

 

I get it, my concern was that even if you have an awakening, there is still 'something phenomenologically' (touch, sight for example), if that make sense. 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But also, once you are free of the human dream other higher dreams become possible.

Attachment to the human dream precludes more advanced dreams.

That sounds like reincarnation, or are you talking about something different?

Is that what you mean when you say death is not real?

 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, koops said:

That sounds like reincarnation, or are you talking about something different?

Yes, reincarnation. Or even just kinds of God-consciousness without incarnation. Incaration is not necessary for Consciousness. There can be states of Consciousness which have no body, no self, no life.

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Is that what you mean when you say death is not real?

Yes and no.

There are multiple ways in which death is not real.

1) Death is not real because you are Consciousness and Consciousness is Absolute and never dies. Consciousness is all there is.

2) Death is not real because NOW always exists and you are NOW.

3) Death is not real because death is imagined by Consciousness.

4) Death is not real because you can keep reincarnating forever as anything you want.

5) Death is not real because the human self is imaginary and not real, so there is no one to die, just an idea/illusion "dies".

Edited October 17 by Leo Gura

[Deziree]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are multiple ways in which death is not real.

1) Death is not real because you are Consciousness and Consciousness is Absolute and never dies. Consciousness is all there is.

2) Death is not real because NOW always exists and you are NOW.

3) Death is not real because death is imagined by Consciousness.

4) Death is not real because you can keep reincarnating forever as anything you want.

5) Death is not real because the human self is imaginary and not real, so there is no one to die, just an idea/illusion "dies".

You make consciousness look like an ai model assessing the environment. 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Deziree said:

You make consciousness look like an ai model assessing the environment. 

I don't know what that means.

Edited October 17 by Leo Gura