What Consciousness ''feels'' like without perception?

[koops]

So, you could have an awakening, realize you are God, Oneness, but still, ''you are seeing/perceiving'' the chair in front of you.

Is it really possible to just be, without perception? My guess is that even if you have a (sober) awakening, you can't eliminate the senses. 

Or with a high dose of 5meo or similar, can you really lose all perception and just 'be'?

 

[ivankiss]

Perception can be dissolved. And it is, in a sense, in the way of pure consciousness. It's what makes you "human".

The 5 senses are a veil. They create the illusion of subject - object relations. Cause and effect. 

[koops]

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

Perception can be dissolved.

How?

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

The 5 senses are a veil. They create the illusion of subject - object relations. Cause and effect. 

Still you can awaken, realize God, and you keep seeing things and objects although you realize their true nature. But the chair is still there.

[Princess Arabia]

Perception is an illusion and no one awakens to oneness. No one knows anything. The senses aren't real. Nothing is real. It's all a bag of bunches of nothing appearing as.....isn't that great.

[ivankiss]

57 minutes ago, koops said:

How?

Synchronize perception with what is being perceived. For example, put on a song, and instead of listening to it, become it. Same goes for the rest of the senses. Merge it all into one single sense, then dissolve that too.

Psychedelics can help. But best done sober.

1 hour ago, koops said:

Still you can awaken, realize God, and you keep seeing things and objects although you realize their true nature. But the chair is still there.

Drop the notion of god and realization, its in the way when it come to this. This is all done once the thinker is completely gone and thought is no longer arising.

Be warned.

This is dangerous business. Super advanced. Do not go down into before it's time.

Dissolving perception is not something you do, perse. It's something that happens when identification with sensory input is seen through.

I don't think sharing too much in depth information about it here is safe, as of now.

Physics, math, sacred geometry... all helpful.

[Hojo]

Like you roll down the windows on the highway

[Natasha Tori Maru]

In this scenario - just perceptions removed? 

Thoughts remain and awareness? Or thoughts removed also

[koops]

3 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Synchronize perception with what is being perceived. For example, put on a song, and instead of listening to it, become it. Same goes for the rest of the senses. Merge it all into one single sense, then dissolve that too.

Dissolving perception is not something you do, perse. It's something that happens when identification with sensory input is seen through.

 

Still, if you have a stomach ache or you are listening to music, and you have and awakening, you still hear the music and you still feel the stomach pain. 

My question was more in reference when people say things like: When you die you become pure Consciousness.

So, you can realize that while in human form, but when you die you wont have that stomach ache or that music in the background.

[koops]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In this scenario - just perceptions removed? 

Thoughts remain and awareness? Or thoughts removed also

you can include thoughts. but was referring more to the sensory perceptions. 

 

[Aaron p]

I think Leo said perception is an illusion that we project onto consciousness. The answer might be that perceptions don't exist. But I have no realisation on that shit yet. Although I just now got a massive intuitive sense that contemplating this idea could be really fucking powerful. Cuz at the most fundamental level, what we think everything around us is, are perceptions. That is like the standard baseline that we hold to, even people here would likely hold that. Challenging the notion of perception could be like challenging the cornerstone of something massive. A better question might be "what is perception [made of]?" Like, actually.

Edited 12 hours ago by Aaron p

[koops]

27 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

I think Leo said perception is an illusion that we project onto consciousness. The answer might be that perceptions don't exist. But I have no realisation on that shit yet. Although I just now got a massive intuitive sense that contemplating this idea could be really fucking powerful. Cuz at the most fundamental level, what we think everything around us is, are perceptions. That is like the standard baseline that we hold to, even people here would likely hold that. Challenging the notion of perception could be like challenging the cornerstone of something massive. A better question might be "what is perception [made of]?" Like, actually.

Yes, he said that, and I had an awekening, but even if perception is an illusion (there is no self and no other to perceive), even in that 'state' of Oneness, the chair in front of you is there, or the pain you have in your hand. 

Thats my confusion. Seems like there is no way to be pure Consciousness (Being) while in the body...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, koops said:

you can include thoughts. but was referring more to the sensory perceptions. 

 

Do I have prior experience of perceptions in this state? I am wondering if thoughts would even be generated without the sense faculty that arises from duality (if no duality had ever been experienced). 

It comes to me one needs the body to perceive. So to be in a state of being with no perception would mean....no body required? No body would be perceived. No existential thing to generate an experience of thoughts. How odd... Not sure where I am going there 🫠

[Hojo]

Its like your physical light body is on earth and the qualia of your perceptions of this light body  is on mars. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Hojo

[ivankiss]

1 hour ago, koops said:

Still, if you have a stomach ache or you are listening to music, and you have and awakening, you still hear the music and you still feel the stomach pain. 

My question was more in reference when people say things like: When you die you become pure Consciousness.

So, you can realize that while in human form, but when you die you wont have that stomach ache or that music in the background.

There is only ever one single thought, one single feeling and the 5 human senses in direct experience. Nothing more, nothing less. To dissolve all of those equals death. And that equals pure infinite consciousness.

The actual process of dissolving perception I am not comfortable sharing with here now. Because its not exactly a walk in a park. You should not mess with that unless you are super advanced and mature. Grounded and healthy.