Karmadhi

Why is Russia being held to a higher standard than the US

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21 minutes ago, Sea said:

h stop. The "peace" treaty Hamas signed was for all intents an unconditional surrender. Israel still occupies most of Gaza's agricultural land and they want Gaza to be completely demilitarized. The treaty sets Gaza up to ruled by a committee that included Trump and Tony Blair rather than the Palestinian people themselves.

Funny because many Israelis dont see it that way

 

21 minutes ago, Sea said:

Putin's latest demands were similarly crushing - complete demilitarization, no security guarantees, and wanted Ukraine to give up land that hasn't even been occupied by the Russian military (heavily fortified land, losing which would allow another invasion to be easier). In the video you linked the Ukrainian correspondent herself says they have no choice, there is no peace offer on the table. The war needs to reach a point where Russia thinks it gain more from a reasonable peace agreement than it can from continuing to fight.

I am pretty sure Ukraine can negotiate a deal where Russia gets the 4 oblasts and Crimea and Ukraine stays neutral but gets security guarantees

So they dont loose more land in the future and Russia gets those 4 provinces and no more Ukraine in NATO

It is the best deal they can realistically get

It has been 2 years Russia just slowly advances, Ukraine has not gained anything

We are in a war where 1 side is on life support and the other is not.

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13 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Funny because many Israelis dont see it that way

The likes of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir?

13 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I am pretty sure Ukraine can negotiate a deal where Russia gets the 4 oblasts and Crimea and Ukraine stays neutral but gets security guarantees

"Pretty sure" - you're speculating. Such a deal would have been satisfactory to most on the Ukrainian side earlier this year. The Russian demands during the Trump negotiations were harsher than that...

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26 minutes ago, Sea said:

"Pretty sure" - you're speculating. Such a deal would have been satisfactory to most on the Ukrainian side earlier this year. The Russian demands during the Trump negotiations were harsher than that...

Ukraine wants their whole land back including Crimea. They are not willing to compromise on any land. Ukraine meaning the government

I think most Ukranian people  are willing to compromise

26 minutes ago, Sea said:

The likes of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir?

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Talk Tv hosts or J-Tv type of channels

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2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Funny because many Israelis dont see it that way

 

I am pretty sure Ukraine can negotiate a deal where Russia gets the 4 oblasts and Crimea and Ukraine stays neutral but gets security guarantees

So they dont loose more land in the future and Russia gets those 4 provinces and no more Ukraine in NATO

It is the best deal they can realistically get

It has been 2 years Russia just slowly advances, Ukraine has not gained anything

We are in a war where 1 side is on life support and the other is not.

Why would it. 
Russia's economy is buckling under just 2 months of sustained assault on its exports. 4 months from now the country will be a scrap heap, perhaps quicker if they get Tomahawks. Russia has run out of funds, its now all on its people to carry. Their train lines, a good indicator of the Russian economy as everything uses trains, just cut their jobs by half. 

Russia still doesn't control the 4 oblasts.

It was guaranteed before. That did nothing. It either gets enough missiles that it can wipe Russia out (its building them up now), gets in a defensive alliance and the EU to bolster its economy, or there is no point.

It is not the best deal they can realistically get. Russia is nose-diving into oblivion. The longer this goes on the less will be left of Russia.

Trump was incredibly stupid to offer Putin a lifeline, as it rallied their stockmarkets. All that will happen is he'll string him along for a bit, butter up his ego, then go back to shooting at cities.

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2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Ukraine wants their whole land back including Crimea. They are not willing to compromise on any land. Ukraine meaning the government

Ukraine has repeatedly been willing to compromise, that's their starting position, they've said so over and over again. Its doubtful either side will recognize land claims from the other but Putin won't even talk or negotiate with Zelensky; he's an old man who doesn't live in the real world. If the position is, this is the offer and I won't negotiate," then it's never going to work, is it? - He doesn't even recognise Ukraine as a country or Zelensky as a leader.
 

Demilitarize in a warzone, an utter fantasy land they all live in over there. They'd have more luck ice skating uphill.

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