Owen Cook & Marczell Klein Free Tour NYC Notes 9/26/25 - 9/28/25

[Leo Gura]

Mating has never been fair nor easy.

[AION]

My biggest mistake was to mix the game of spirituality with the game of dating. They are two different games with its own subset of rules and skills. That is why you have to learn from the best and these people are not spiritual. They are snakes. 

Edited October 17 by AION

[mmKay]

@AION went on the Aubrey Markus redemption arc 🙄😂

[Zen LaCroix]

On 10/17/2025 at 2:26 AM, koops said:

Damn, back in the day I went to a Derek Moneyberg free tour... it was so bad... the free tour per se, and the pitching.

At the end the picture was something like this: Derek and 4-5 assistants on stage + 10 guys who bought bootcamp + 20 guys that already went to past bootcamps. 

We were like 7-10 people left in the audience. And he told us to get to the 1st row. So it was like an outnumbered confrontation. US vs Them dynamic.

And he start telling us 'why are you not signig up? I dont get it' ''look at all these people that are going to fuck all your women'.

I dont give a shit, I found it hilarious, but man, it was so weird and aggressive. Pure psychopathy. He saw no humanity in anyone. Just the potential for an extra 3000$

At the end he was so gracious, and he let us go lol just thinking we are inferior beings.

Funny experience.

 

I went on a Derek Moneyberg bootcamp for $2500. Before you signed up it said on the website there would be 3 to 1 instructor to student ratio. It was made to seem like there would only be 3 students and then Derek. After I paid for it I got my confirmation emails and it was clear that there would be more than 3 students. There were 11 students and we met in a private room in a steakhouse. Derek had a few assistants so the ratio was 3-1 in the end

There were cultish vibes. He came in late and starting talking us. We spoke back and forth about what we wanted. We didn' t leave the steakhouse until about 1:00 am. the bootcamp officially ended at 1:30 am and we hadn't even hit the club yet. I remember being in the club and I was nervous to do an approach so I went up to one of his assistant instructors who was a bit dismissive. I remember him letting me know the bootcamp ends at 1:30 am. I was like what? we just got here!

The whole point of me signing up for their bootcamp was because I thought they would push me to approach but they weren't helping guys in the club. The term bootcamp is just a marketing term

On the second night Derek was sitting at a table with his girlfriend and all his assistants. The guys who paid for the bootcamps for standing around. I got an assistant to help me approach but that night I only did 2 approaches.

Derek clearly looks down on his clientele and his assistants who try to be just like him act the same way.

I remember asking a question and them looking at me like I was stupid when answering. I'm my head I was like wtf I did pay for this bootcamp.

He kept going off on liberals and talking about his political leanings of being fiscally conservative and socially liberal. He had a lot anger in him it seemed.

I learned a valuable lesson though. I realized noone can actually teach you game form the most part. Game is learned by taking action. You use the resources and surround yourself with guys who have good game to pick up their vibe and learn about game. However, to actually learn it meaning to have to have the behavior change you have to do it.

For example you can go out with a guy who's game is great and see for yourself the importance of being unreactive. However, if you haven't trained yourself and your are a reactive person you will not be able to just be emotionally unreactive. You become that way through actions. 

[Twentyfirst]

On 10/17/2025 at 2:23 PM, Leo Gura said:

Mating has never been fair nor easy.

Arranged (by choice, not force) marriages 

[Twentyfirst]

On 10/17/2025 at 2:34 PM, AION said:

My biggest mistake was to mix the game of spirituality with the game of dating. They are two different games with its own subset of rules and skills. That is why you have to learn from the best and these people are not spiritual. They are snakes. 

There are enlightened texts on this. David Dieda, Zan Perrion, Alison Armstrong

[Zen LaCroix]

On 10/17/2025 at 7:34 AM, AION said:

My biggest mistake was to mix the game of spirituality with the game of dating. They are two different games with its own subset of rules and skills. That is why you have to learn from the best and these people are not spiritual. They are snakes. 

Pick up can be spiritual. It will strip you of many of your mental weaknesses.

You have to face what is probably your biggest fear public speaking/ public humiliation. And you will feel that. You have to take rejection and not learn to become indifferent. You develop control over your emotions and over yourself. Everytime you approach when you don't want to you develop more control over yourself.