Owen Cook & Marczell Klein Free Tour NYC Notes 9/26/25 - 9/28/25

[nerdspeak]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I can't listen to Owen any more for this reason. The speaking is too obnoxious. Like he is speaking to morons whose ears don't work. It is unpleasant. His old style was far better.

I wonder if it’s even a good business move. This tone screens for anxious 20-year-olds that are easily manipulated. I get that. 

But he also has his old audience of 30-somethings, and many of us have money now. Maybe we’ve outgrown him, but if he talked like a human being we’d occasionally engage and buy stuff, for a laugh and for nostalgia’s sake, and he wouldn’t have to chase new leads constantly. 

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[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, nerdspeak said:

I wonder if it’s even a good business move. This tone screens for anxious 20-year-olds that are easily manipulated. I get that. 

But he also has his old audience of 30-somethings, and many of us have money now. Maybe we’ve outgrown him, but if he talked like a human being we’d occasionally engage and buy stuff, and he wouldn’t have to chase new leads constantly. 

He earns more from new customers than old ones. The old ones are too saavy.

Gotta milk the rubes.

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[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, JosephKnecht said:

Ha. 

I would say the same about your new speaking style. 

I can be obnoxious but nowhere as much as Owen.

[koops]

Owen was so funny back in the day. Damn it. It was better than most standup guys.

Also Jeffy, Max, Julien pre-2015 were very entertaining. 

Maybe RSD makes more money now, but it has no soul.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, koops said:

Owen was so funny back in the day. Damn it. It was better than most standup guys.

Also Jeffy, Max, Julien pre-2015 were very entertaining. 

Maybe RSD makes more money now, but it has no soul.

They def make less money now. Their online media footprint was decimated after Julien-gate.

Back in 2015 their online following was epic. Today it is very niche and underground.

Yeah, I don't understand why Owen became less funny. He went from fun to cranky and overbearing. Julien-gate really shook him.

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[nerdspeak]

I’m not sure. When I was hanging around, they had rich clients who would buy 4-5 bootcamps / year just for a laugh, like it was going to CrossFit. One client bought every New York bootcamp for like a year straight. Rich fanboys would like follow Jeffy around the country buying every Jeffy bootcamp.

They knew it was low value-add but was more fun than going to the Hampton or buying bottle service. 

Maybe that still happens and they avoid the front-end stuff. But probably even bootcamp clients have declined in quality. I went to a free thing in 2019 and was horrified. 

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[AION]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He doesn't need to say anything that gets him canceled.

His old stuff was good because he was uncensored about female nature. Today that would cost you your balls.

[nerdspeak]

1 minute ago, AION said:

His old stuff was good because he was uncensored about female nature. Today that would cost you your balls.

Dude he says more misogynistic shit now than back in the day, just coated in Neo-reactionary right wing pseudo-Christian language. Like that every woman should have has their goal to be impregnated by Jocko Willinck, but they lack the consciousness to recognize it so they chase Harry Styles. 

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[AION]

Just now, nerdspeak said:

Dude he says more misogynistic shit now than back in the day, just coated in Neo-reactionary right wing pseudo-Christian language. 

Haha 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

I’m not sure. When I was hanging around, they had rich clients who would buy 4-5 bootcamps / year just for a laugh, like it was going to CrossFit. One client bought every New York bootcamp for like a year straight. Rich fanboys would like follow Jeffy around the country buying every Jeffy bootcamp.

They knew it was low value-add but was more fun than going to the Hampton or buying bottle service. 

Maybe that still happens and they avoid the front-end stuff. But probably even bootcamp clients have declined in quality. I went to a free thing in 2019 and was horrified. 

After RSD collapsed from Julien-gate, they found a niche in working with very rich exclusive clients. Owen discovered you can milk millionaires who suck with girls and get free money.

It would be like if I changed Actualized.org to be the spiritual guru of Hollywood celebrities and Tech Bros, charging them $10,000 per phone call and $50,000 per psychedelic retreat.

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[nerdspeak]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

After RSD collapsed from Julien-gate, they found a niche in working with very rich exclusive clients. Owen discovered you can milk millionaires who suck with girls and get free money.

This was 2011-2013. Owen didn’t care about selling them much, and was more focused on building his audience, but it was a significant percentage of revenue at least in NY and SF.

However, even in 2013 they were losing some of these clients to higher-end sole proprietor coaches who would do lengthy 1:1 mentoring programs that were frankly much more value-add. Like, “pay me $20k-$100k upfront and I’ll be your wing once a week for a year.” Which is obviously much better than 5-10 bootcamps per year, especially if it’s 1:1. In mega cities that business model works.

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[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

This was 2011-2013.

No, I mean after Julien-gate.

2011-2013 was peak mainstream RSD.

[koops]

oh oh  

 

Just the first 2 minutes.

He always respond to: ''will this approach work?''' '' FIELD TEST IT'

But keeps talking about psychedelics,  and not testing this.

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[koops]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, I don't understand why Owen became less funny. He went from fun to cranky and overbearing.

I guess with age you become a bit more angry (more dense energy like he says), but take George Carlin for example. Hyper funny.

He transmuted anger into comedy like no one else.

[nerdspeak]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, I mean after Julien-gate.

2011-2013 was peak mainstream RSD.

Yeah I was clarifying the date range of my firsthand observation. It was already happening in 2011, Owen just didn’t care about it and treated those clients like shit.

Once the top of funnel dried up after Juliengate, it makes sense Owen would shift focus to those rich clients. But like I said, a lot of the higher end of the market moved away from RSD to 1:1 stuff with less aggro marketing. One coach in NYC got $250k to coach a billionaire’s kid for three months. They barely went infield and mostly just texted. 

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[koops]

16 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Like that every woman should have has their goal to be impregnated by Jocko Willinck, but they lack the consciousness to recognize it so they chase Harry Styles. 

LOOL

[mmKay]

Just to chip in my 2 cents, I went to a Madison free tour in Barcelona 2019 and there was basically no pitching besides him and a few of his assistants quietly waiting in the back of the room after the speech as they encouraged us to network.

Most likely there were some infiltrated assistants doing some " sneaky sales encouragement's " within the public but I can't be sure, that's what my intuition is telling me.

I almost destroyed their camara setup by sliding back on my char without looking lol oops

That being said the topic of the speech was pretty black pill, just talking about how modern men have very low chances of success in dating because the previous generation has spoiled women

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, mmKay said:

the previous generation has spoiled women

Lol.

It is amazing how self-biased PUAs are. Like children.

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[Karmadhi]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Lol.

It is amazing how self-biased PUAs are. Like children.

Dont you think dating was easier in our parents generation (meaning from 50s until 90s)?

Much lower divorce rate, way less frustrated men and women and overall happier times?

I am not blaming it on women per say but overall it seemed healthier and happier.

[nerdspeak]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Dont you think dating was easier in our parents generation (meaning from 50s until 90s)?

Much lower divorce rate, way less frustrated men and women and overall happier times?

Dating was “easier” because women were under pressure to pair up quickly. But that generation was very frustrated, lots of empty shell marriages people stayed in too long out of social pressure. At the same time, social changes meant increased pressure on nuclear family to meet every social need, as extended kinship ties became less important. The boomers had it rough. Even though material conditions were in some ways better, they were not culturally equipped to deal with their situation. 

Probably the late 90s early 00s were the best in living memory to be just like middle class. My GenX friends describe it as an amazing time to be a young adult. 

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