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There is no pride in being poor

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1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

Why dream?

No reason at all. Being is self-generative.

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The worst of being low or mid budget is, again, having to hang out with the riff raff. If there was a way around this I would have settled for a mediocre life. But now I’m hell bent on getting rich.
 

I also get why poor people exist. The system has to be that way so you intrinsically force the smart people to invest in themselves and reach the top of the pyramid  where the Illuminati is while the poor and the stupid are on the lower end of the pyramid. 

 

We are also getting to a point that we don’t need poor/stupid people anymore. Society still needs them as they are the consumers but with the rising of AI we don’t need consumers nor slave wage people anymore. 


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It would be great if the forum worked instead of always glitching out 


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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Very wrong.

Ambition is not about money.

Without my ambition Actualized.org would not exist.

What do I do if I feel hopeless and like I am not capable of achieving anything serious / becoming a massive value provider?

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I'd generally agree that money can buy you a quality lifestyle but personally I'd be deeply hurt if one of my friends suddenly got rich and abandoned me for not being "on their level". I think the conscious thing is to do what someone like Madeon did, as you grow in money and success, never lose touch with your old friends who supported you when you had nothing.

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It’s cool to get used to poverty in sense of limiting your material wants and being willing to tolerate financial uncertainty. 

if you do both these things, you’re a lot harder to control. 

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If you want to pursue money you should, just when you get to the point where you're done with it, move on. Rich people are just as toxic as poor people, as scary as that sounds: there are non-toxic poors and rich, the area with the most non-toxic seems to be the middle: because it has the most people.

I stand by "sub-cultures; volunteers, Buddhists, mindfulness, arts, ....."

If you want to affect positive change, look at the people that have done the most; they weren't rich.

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@Elliott Are you sure they weren’t rich? 
 

I mean, sure some example like Gandhi… but, who are you thinking about that wasn’t rich who actually made large change in the world? 

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2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

No reason at all. Being is self-generative.

Is being and dreaming the same?


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9 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott Are you sure they weren’t rich? 
 

I mean, sure some example like Gandhi… but, who are you thinking about that wasn’t rich who actually made large change in the world? 

MLK, Harvey Milk, Malcolm X, Jesus, Martin Luther, Greta, Obama, Mandela, Lincoln, John Brown,....

Who are you thinking of?

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@Elliott You will find examples in different areas of human progress. Some were rich some were poor. You’ve listed a number of people largely in cultural or social domains who were purpose driven and managed to have influence but not money. There also many examples of those who have helped the world who are rich. 
 

Perhaps we would find moral, religious social leaders have not much wealth but business, technological and institutional leaders do. Both are crucial for our growth and development as a species.  

But of course, money helps if you are developed and conscious enough in all domains. 
 

But, yes I was wrong that only those who make an impact are rich. But, realistically it’s not easy. And, when you consider the problem of marketing in today’s age is not easy. 

 

Helping the world requires you actually want that more than anything else, whatever way it is you help. Whether you do that with or without money is context dependant. 
 

Still, I want wealth and I want to serve. 

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2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott You will find examples in different areas of human progress. Some were rich some were poor. You’ve listed a number of people largely in cultural or social domains who were purpose driven and managed to have influence but not money. There also many examples of those who have helped the world who are rich. 
 

Perhaps we would find moral, religious social leaders have not much wealth but business, technological and institutional leaders do. Both are crucial for our growth and development as a species. 
 

But, yes I was wrong that only those who make an impact are rich. But, realistically it’s not easy. And, when you consider the problem of marketing in today’s age is not easy. 

 

Helping the world requires you actually want that more than anything else, whatever way it is you help. Whether you do that with or without money is context dependant. 
 

Still, I want wealth and I want to serve. 

Could you give examples of wealthy change-makers: I disagree, technological advancements come with just as much drawbacks as 'progress', they're net-zero. Cultural and moral change is profound though.

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1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

What do I do if I feel hopeless and like I am not capable of achieving anything serious / becoming a massive value provider?

Be more present in the moment, with small, short-term goals.
For example, "Today I'm going to submit some resumes," or "Today I'm going to read this book a bit," or "I'm going to get rid of my cell phone or headphones because they're distracting, and I know that if I keep them, I'll use them."
"Today I'm going to flirt with the cashier."
"I'm going to get rid of my computer (complicated, eheh) because social media is crushing my ego," etc.

The human brain is designed to function in the short term, quietly ;Otherwise, you'll become mentally ill, develop attention problems, be unable to produce quality work and progress in general.

It is tranquility, gentleness, the love of a job well done that brings, and paradoxically brings quickly, intelligence, productivity, and well-being.

 


Nothing will prevent Willy.

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35 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Be more present in the moment, with small, short-term goals.
For example, "Today I'm going to submit some resumes," or "Today I'm going to read this book a bit," or "I'm going to get rid of my cell phone or headphones because they're distracting, and I know that if I keep them, I'll use them."
"Today I'm going to flirt with the cashier."
"I'm going to get rid of my computer (complicated, eheh) because social media is crushing my ego," etc.

The human brain is designed to function in the short term, quietly ;Otherwise, you'll become mentally ill, develop attention problems, be unable to produce quality work and progress in general.

It is tranquility, gentleness, the love of a job well done that brings, and paradoxically brings quickly, intelligence, productivity, and well-being.

 

thank you. this is very sweet.

how do i know what small short term things to do towards career/life purpose specifically?

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30 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

thank you. this is very sweet.

Thanks.

I am a nice guy

 

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30 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

how do i know what small short term things to do towards career/life purpose specifically?

Whatever makes you happy.
A life purpose can be anything, even running a flower shop.

Then it's up to you to find a frequency that appeals to you, and stick to it.


Nothing will prevent Willy.

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@Elliott I would disagree that technology is net 0. You think light bulbs are net 0? Or the printing press? Or the telephone? Even these inventors may come from varied backgrounds.  You can simply Google these names. But, if you disagree that technology counts as progress at all, then I see your perspective. 
 

You could argue the same for Jesus… all the bloodshed and pedos that came after that guy. Jeez. You could even argue what Jesus did was aweful for spirituality because it resulted in this dumb personality cult. Martin Luther king led to Donald trump…. Shindler led to genocide in Gaza….

I am not saying this literally, but the net result of a lot of these things is hard to quantify and often any major change has good and bad as a result for at least someone somewhere. 
 

Cultural and Moral change is powerful, and is probably more important than technological develop in many respects because it’s the development of how we look and act with reality which then determines how we relate to technology etc. 
 

As I said before, I was wrong that change makers all had money (though, they still made use of it in some way or another). So, money is important as is technology and moral and ego development. IMO. 
 

But, yeah many leaders of the past may not have been rich. But, there are many too I’m sure. Bernie Sander’s is a millionaire. Leo Gura is too. They exist. 
 

They didn’t become success I assume because they were poor. At least not alone. But, because they had a purpose and a vision and the means to achieve it. Perhaps, the change you want to create requires money. Perhaps it doesn’t. 

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31 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott I would disagree that technology is net 0. You think light bulbs are net 0?

Yes when you consider; poorer sleep, industrial pollution from the resultant more industry, and also the disparity and separation of people from the resulting industrial advancement: not in the west, but the west compared to poorer cultures.

It has positives too, healthcare advancements, food,.... but it's net-zero, I'm not saying it's bad, just not objectively good either.

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Or the printing press?

Look at before the press: Socrates, Siddhartha Gautama, Jesus, Aurelius, Thomas Aquinas, Ancient Greece, ..... that's what people learned before the press, now they learn women's porn fiction. People have only so much 'bandwidth', it's flooded with garbage. Before, the only writings were significant.

Again, there are also positives and it's not bad, it's net-zero, it's not objectively good.

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Or the telephone? Even these inventors may come from varied backgrounds.  You can simply Google these names. But, if you disagree that technology counts as progress at all, then I see your perspective. 
 

You could argue the same for Jesus… all the bloodshed and pedos that came after that guy. Jeez. You could even argue what Jesus did was aweful for spirituality because it resulted in this dumb personality cult. Martin Luther king led to Donald trump…. Shindler led to genocide in Gaza….

The bloodshed was already there, the bloodshed after Jesus was in his name but only because the Roman's used it to continue their bloodshed. Do you sincerely attribute bloodshed to Jesus?

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am not saying this literally, but the net result of a lot of these things is hard to quantify and often any major change has good and bad as a result for at least someone somewhere. 

Look at the arc of history.

 

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9 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Yeah, I know is not only about money. I was talking from the existential perspective. And to provide a radical oppostion to the op point of view.

Ambitious people are not necessarily more happy or fulfilled than unambitious, lazy ones. There's no right in the story. It's a question of character trait, you either have it or not, but theres also degrees of it. Self-knowledge is key.  

Ambition is a beautiful thing. Don't poo-poo it.

Everything great requires ambition.

Unambitious people deserve no respect. Rats! :P

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@Elliott Net Zero is a strange belief to hold imo. You might as well say that with anything. If you truly believe that technology is net 0 but only moral and social leaders matter I think you are misguided. But, you can have your view. I’ve provided ample nuance to explore the subject from different angles and perspectives and shared shared i thought i was wrong. 
 

I don’t think I am right here but exploring the subject while sharing my current perspective and opinions. 
 

You aren’t, from my understanding of your writing, reading what I am saying along with my disclaimers and nuances in a fair light so I am done here.  I am not arguing with you. This is a complex topic which we can explore but I’m not arguing. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott Net Zero is a strange belief to hold imo. You might as well say that with anything. You aren’t, from my understanding of your writing, reading what I am saying along with my disclaimers and nuances in a fair light so I am done here. 

I guess I would just put more emphasis on "look at the arc of history", what impact did the light bulb, printing press, telephone... actually make? That's what I was trying to show.

I quoted you before your edits, I will read it again.

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