Is it posible to reach 5-MeO states by meditating?

[TheGod]

I have a question for those of you who are experienced with 5MeO-DMT / 5MeO-MALT psychedelics as well as with long-hours meditation. 

Have you ever reached God states / Infinite / Love states your reach on 5MeOs but during meditation?  

Please only answer if you have had direct experience / experiences because i do not want to know about your ideas or believes regarding this topic. 

Thank u. 

[Davino]

Yes, I've had. It certainly is possible but very few reach.

My approach has been to try every everything I could and being serious. I'm also naturally hardwired for peak consciousness. So the combination of both factors has allowed me to reach those states "sober" 

Realistically you won't do it and there are states unreachable without psychedelics. In the same way there are states you can reach in yoga that are unreachable in meditation or States in meditation unreachable through psychedelics, although there are many commonalities.

Do you have an specific question? In that case I can give you a more direct answer. If you're asking if it's possible: yes it is but just for a few, there's a luck component and other restrictions.

Comparing states of consciousness is quite a challenge because some are qualitatively and irreducibly distinct.

[Recursoinominado]

31 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yes, I've had.

How?

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

How?

Honestly about 70% were spontaneous Awakenings. Working home in my computer, in a train, walking in the forest... It just hits you like a lightning shock.

The rest 30% are while doing spiritual practices. Sometimes you fucking ace it and you reach those states, but that certainly is not my objective, I just do them for their own sake and to work in my baseline consciousness.

[MaDoubt]

16 hours ago, Davino said:

Yes, I've had. It certainly is possible but very few reach.

My approach has been to try every everything I could and being serious. I'm also naturally hardwired for peak consciousness. So the combination of both factors has allowed me to reach those states "sober" 

Realistically you won't do it and there are states unreachable without psychedelics. In the same way there are states you can reach in yoga that are unreachable in meditation or States in meditation unreachable through psychedelics, although there are many commonalities.

Do you have an specific question? In that case I can give you a more direct answer. If you're asking if it's possible: yes it is but just for a few, there's a luck component and other restrictions.

Comparing states of consciousness is quite a challenge because some are qualitatively and irreducibly distinct.

Please explain what the states unreachable without psychedelics are? Something like a special flavor of Non-duality?

And what are the states reachable by meditation but not psychedelics? Which of the 2 would you consider the "peak state"?

Ma

[Jowblob]

18 hours ago, Davino said:

Yes, I've had. It certainly is possible but very few reach.

My approach has been to try every everything I could and being serious. I'm also naturally hardwired for peak consciousness. So the combination of both factors has allowed me to reach those states "sober" 

Realistically you won't do it and there are states unreachable without psychedelics. In the same way there are states you can reach in yoga that are unreachable in meditation or States in meditation unreachable through psychedelics, although there are many commonalities.

Do you have an specific question? In that case I can give you a more direct answer. If you're asking if it's possible: yes it is but just for a few, there's a luck component and other restrictions.

Comparing states of consciousness is quite a challenge because some are qualitatively and irreducibly distinct.

True measurement of the peak consciousness that you have reached sober, is having siddhis. If you don't have then it's delirium from doing psychedelics so much or mental illness, or a temporary energetic blessing from god because you aren't being given any siddhis or more free will

Edited Sunday at 03:25 PM by Jowblob

[Davino]

2 hours ago, MaDoubt said:

Please explain what the states unreachable without psychedelics are? Something like a special flavor of Non-duality?

Salvia states, DMT breakthroughs, k-holes, and heavy breakthrough doses of most psychedelics. You're not gonna meditate your way to a salvia breakthrough, not gonna happen.

 

2 hours ago, MaDoubt said:

And what are the states reachable by meditation but not psychedelics?

Probably the most epic state you ca reach Only via meditation is classic Cessation or the Reboot of Consciousness.

Other interesting states include Jhanas, non-doing and Equanimity.

2 hours ago, MaDoubt said:

Which of the 2 would you consider the "peak state"?

Imo, Psychedelics are King. But I love yoga, meditation and contemplating, they all synergize. And I love doing yoga and meditation on psychedelics as well.

[Davino]

54 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

True measurement of the peak consciousness that you have reached sober, is having siddhis. If you don't have then it's delirium from doing psychedelics so much or mental illness, or a temporary energetic blessing from god because you aren't being given any siddhis or more free will

Yes I have siddhis and shaktis but won't talk much about that.

 

Moreover, I don't see how that is the "true measure", maybe there's some correlation but that's all. Many occultists have them and don't reach those states.

Edited Sunday at 04:15 PM by Davino

[Yimpa]

The biggest minduck will be when you realize that all psychedelics are imaginary.

And of course, you too. 

So continue meditating and taking psychedelics, enjoy them knowing that it's all a part of your Infinite Hallucination 

[OBEler]

That's a bit tricky question because I'm my opinion you can only reach 5 Meo states through meditation if you had your prior 5 Meo breakthroughs before. Otherwise it's very hard to reach or even impossible for you. 

[Davino]

@OBEler Yes, that's a very good point. Psychedelics many time expand the consciousness terrain that later can be revisited more easily via other methodologies.

[TheGod]

I'm talking about the God realization what I reach on 5MeO-DMT when I realize I'm the only conscious being and everything is me of course it includes infinity. 

I assume you can only reach the no-self state during meditation altough I might be wrong about it

[TheGod]

8 hours ago, OBEler said:

That's a bit tricky question because I'm my opinion you can only reach 5 Meo states through meditation if you had your prior 5 Meo breakthroughs before. Otherwise it's very hard to reach or even impossible for you. 

I feel this way. I also believe 5MeO-DMT at some point changes your base line but it's very difficult to notice. 

All i know is reality doesn't feel the same way it used to feel before 5MeO-DMT 

[TheGod]

10 hours ago, Jowblob said:

True measurement of the peak consciousness that you have reached sober, is having siddhis. If you don't have then it's delirium from doing psychedelics so much or mental illness, or a temporary energetic blessing from god because you aren't being given any siddhis or more free will

nonsense 

[TheGod]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

The biggest minduck will be when you realize that all psychedelics are imaginary.

And of course, you too. 

So continue meditating and taking psychedelics, enjoy them knowing that it's all a part of your Infinite Hallucination 

off-topic

[TheGod]

9 hours ago, Davino said:

Probably the most epic state you ca reach Only via meditation is classic Cessation or the Reboot of Consciousness.

Other interesting states include Jhanas, non-doing and Equanimity.

Please explain what are these states what they have in common and the differences between them 

Also how permanent/ impermanent they are 

thanks 

[Jowblob]

10 hours ago, Davino said:

Yes I have siddhis and shaktis but won't talk much about that.

 

Moreover, I don't see how that is the "true measure", maybe there's some correlation but that's all. Many occultists have them and don't reach those states.

Because many talk about doing meditation reaching high states, but don't have any siddhis. Siddhis is literally a measurement how free your mind is, and how high your natural state of being/consciousness is.

Look at richard chanfray video, use the new ai translator on youtube. He's talking about turning lead into gold, using products that make you young forever, creating a tunnel with his consciousness that lead to a machine that showed different versions of yourself. Seeing people from different timelines still in his mind walking. See how many and how powerfull his siddhis are. It's the only true measurement of your base line.

And the most important thing that he said is that there was no truth in time.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:29 AM by Jowblob

[Clarence]

@Jowblob Do you actually believe this video? Richard Chanfray was a mythomaniac. You should at least read his Wikipedia page.

[Jowblob]

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

@Jowblob Do you actually believe this video? Richard Chanfray was a mythomaniac. You should at least read his Wikipedia page.

Don't believe everything that you read, many things have been said about many great people. Use your own discernment.

Don't forgot that a lot of people are still sleeping and are stuck in their ego mind identity, including yourself

[Clarence]

3 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Don't believe everything that you read, many things have been said about many great people. Use your own discernment.

I use my own discernment. It's pretty clear that he is not 17 000 years old.