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What am I and What are you

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48 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Discussing consciousness here in direct practical way. If you want just tell me why I'm wrong or contribute in some way to the thread rather than this childish jelly thing, that would he great 

Right or wrong is duality, consciousness is neither, and both.

That there is an I or U, is a thought. 0 - 1.

Love is playful, can be childish, and can hurt.


 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

Right or wrong is duality, consciousness is neither, and both.

That there is an I or U, is a thought. 0 - 1.

Love is playful, can be childish, and can hurt.

In my post I talk about direct experiential awareness of Being now, nothing woowoo, no concepts, but pointing to the subject which cant be experienced as an object.

in your comment you talk about some concepts.

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9 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Dodo No, you talk about garbage.

How old are you, Ivane. This nonduality thing is not about winning arguments nor about typing flashy comments, its about having practical direct experience of nonduality.

Maybe re-read original post and see if you can follow the pointings. The egoic reactional thoughts are also seen by the I now. They aren't I.

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@Dodo I am precisely 0 years old.

You may talk about truth, in a desperate attempt to validate your limited views...

but I am the fucking truth.


 

 

 

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Chatgpt would be proud of you all, you soulless little devils.


 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Dodo said:

I am always now. The word I refers to that which knows all senses, all perceptions and conceptions, meaning, all thoughts, feelings, etc.. all visual, auditory, sensory perceptions. That I which knows all those is always Here and Now and its effortlessly here and now.

Do we recognize that "being that which knows everything" is very different from saying "what is currently known is all that exists"?

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Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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We are so unconscious as humans that simply being "here and now" doesn't answer the question of what we are. At best, it can lead to a surface-level understanding of what we are not, but it won't lead to the deepest answers. Our understanding of ourselves is still very limited when our attention is focused solely on Being.

16 hours ago, Dodo said:

What afterlife then, if I am always here now?

Actually, a serious study of life after death can lead to a deeper understanding of what we truly are than simply resting in the awareness of awareness.

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34 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Dodo I am precisely 0 years old.

You may talk about truth, in a desperate attempt to validate your limited views...

but I am the fucking truth.

 

32 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Chatgpt would be proud of you all, you soulless little devils.

Ayy that arogant ego speaking . Seems like you got the truth on intellectual level. You are probably a young one with that flashy statement. 

Ofcourse the now is 0 years old, but it is not only you lmao, it's everyone like you're special, just like everybody else 

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34 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do we recognize that "being that which knows everything" is very different from saying "what is currently known is all that exists"?

I don't know about those, im simply examining the current experience.  I don't know of that which knows everything, only that which knows my experience, narrowing down myself, i dont bother myself with thinking about concepts like everything, just my own experience is the only thing I have full access to and can investigate. 

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@Dodo

Pathetic. An 80 year old grandma in a wheelchair hits harder than that.

Thank me later when you realize I'm actually helping you wake the fuck up, and get your precious views, that you crave so deeply.

It's not a popularity contest, but you clearly lost.


 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Dodo

Pathetic. An 80 year old grandma in a wheelchair hits harder than that.

Thank me later when you realize I'm actually helping you wake the fuck up, and get your precious views, that you crave so deeply.

It's not a popularity contest, but you clearly lost.

Leave some enlightenment for the rest of us, dude

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@Dodo Haha now you're starting to get it!

Neo is signing off.


 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Clarence said:

We are so unconscious as humans that simply being "here and now" doesn't answer the question of what we are. At best, it can lead to a surface-level understanding of what we are not, but it won't lead to the deepest answers. Our understanding of ourselves is still very limited when our attention is focused solely on Being.

Actually, a serious study of life after death can lead to a deeper understanding of what we truly are than simply resting in the awareness of awareness.

"Simply being here and now" is not enough yes, you have to also be interested about it and to know that you are here and now. Literally everyone is here and now, but who is knowingly here and now? Not many.

I feel like some here have strong spiritual egos that are hard to get through. I like the beginners mindset always, beginning from what we have here and now, not from content of the mind or something learnt, because that would stain our investigation, it won't be as pure as it can be. 

 

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6 hours ago, Dodo said:

Well im not going to be following any of the Frank Yang spirituality where he has poetry about getting down on girls and presents the genitals as light 🤔.

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Freedom is love under all conditions. 

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5 hours ago, Dodo said:

I don't know about those, im simply examining the current experience.  I don't know of that which knows everything, only that which knows my experience, narrowing down myself, i dont bother myself with thinking about concepts like everything, just my own experience is the only thing I have full access to and can investigate. 

Do you realize that investigating your experience in any way that can be spoken about is a conceptual exercise, just like investigating what might be outside or separate from or not immediately apparent in your experience is a conceptual exercise? For example, investigating a sensation and then saying "here it is, here is its shape, here is its texture, here is where it extends, here is where it seems to end" is at the same level of conceptual density as saying "what this current sensation seems to be might be a part of a larger class of many sensations or a larger space of sensation that doesn't end here".

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Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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3 hours ago, Dodo said:

I feel like some here have strong spiritual egos that are hard to get through. I like the beginners mindset always, beginning from what we have here and now, not from content of the mind or something learnt, because that would stain our investigation, it won't be as pure as it can be. 

From the not knowing 🌱

@ivankiss don't be a little mutant, unless you want some of mommies zen stick through the neck 

24 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you realize that investigating your experience in any way that can be spoken about is a conceptual exercise, just like investigating what might be outside or separate from or not immediately apparent in your experience is a conceptual exercise? For example, investigating a sensation and then saying "here it is, here is its shape, here is its texture, here is where it extends, here is where it seems to end" is at the same level of conceptual density as saying "what this current sensation seems to be might be a part of a larger class of many sensations or a larger space of sensation that doesn't end here".

I do think though, that if we are going the nonduality route, investigating duality and using concepts are needed to point to various parts of our experience we overlook. Especially for those of us heavy on intellect. But I think you know this, and the aim of this paragraph was to highlight the fact that more concepts were present potentially not aware of? 🫠

For myself personally, I think forcing nondual talk all the time is silly. Some people benefit from concepts and ideas initially. Some benefit from having to dig into the meat of a statement that isn't clear - at first. It's like walking up steps that are non complaint: each step is a fucken metre high and you have to climb and fall. Sometimes there is no hope to get up! The initial concepts used as nondual pointers are a little mobile scaffold to help. So once there you can kick the scaffold away and see the real unobstructed view. Rip the cataracts off. 

Like learning a system before you can break it.

All these different methods should end up with a full deconstruction in the end, but everyone gets there in a different way. 

Some teachers get us to W O R K for it. Some learners can't do it that way. 

Anyway bit of a digress there, sorry Carl wasn't really at you!


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

@ivankiss don't be a little mutant, unless you want some of mommies zen stick through the neck 

I'm usually not into that type of stuff, but I'll do it for you...mommy. I'll behave, I promise.


 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you realize that investigating your experience in any way that can be spoken about is a conceptual exercise, just like investigating what might be outside or separate from or not immediately apparent in your experience is a conceptual exercise? For example, investigating a sensation and then saying "here it is, here is its shape, here is its texture, here is where it extends, here is where it seems to end" is at the same level of conceptual density as saying "what this current sensation seems to be might be a part of a larger class of many sensations or a larger space of sensation that doesn't end here".

Investigating a sensation currently present and relaxing into what knows that sensation is not a conceptual exercise. 

Investigating a thought currently present and relaxing into what knows that thought is also not a conceptual exercise. 

What is important here is not the object of experience, which would be conceptual exercise, but always being more interested in the subject of that appearant object, be it conceptual object (thought) or a perception/sensation.

There is one common isness/nowness that knows all these different objects which itself can't be seen as an object, which makes it so appearantly elusive. Cant be seen as an object, but it can be beinged - only now. Thats it, if I weren't it, I wouldn't be able to know it. I can only know it because I am it. 

 

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