Do you hold multiple views?

[theoneandnone]

I don’t like staying in one lens I find it boring. so I like to keep an open mind, My views bounce all over the place metaphysical solipsism…epistemological solipsism non duality .. analytical idealism etc. I also am a huge fan in spirits and demons and aliens etc. I will probably share some paranormal/matrix type stories if anyone ever wants to hear them. Always keep your mind open never stay one place. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is a really good way to operate IMO.

At its base, it is being able to entertain and understand a view without any ego attachment to it.

Similar to the the ability to reframe and view things from different angles - it gives you an edge when looking at complex topics.

In particular, I think for concepts that span into the realms of paradoxes, strangeloops, tautologies, koans, contradictions, self-referential loops & oxymorons it is a HUGE boon.

You can pick apart ideas and concepts without being limited, as you aren't attempting to verify a belief. Simply observing and thinking without looking to affirm some view. This can only be a boon in truth seeking, as generally, we see what we want to see. And seek to verify beliefs, rather than see truth.

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It is a really good way to operate IMO.

At its base, it is being able to entertain and understand a view without any ego attachment to it.

Similar to the the ability to reframe and view things from different angles - it gives you an edge when looking at complex topics.

In particular, I think for concepts that span into the realms of paradoxes, strangeloops, tautologies, koans, contradictions, self-referential loops & oxymorons it is a HUGE boon.

You can pick apart ideas and concepts without being limited, as you aren't attempting to verify a belief. Simply observing and thinking without looking to affirm some view. This can only be a boon in truth seeking, as generally, we see what we want to see. And seek to verify beliefs, rather than see truth.

Its such a rare skill to people to be truly open-minded. It is a very simple skill, but really hard to obtain I would say. Fortunate are those who got this as a gift.

Even here on this forum, people say that they are open-minded but you can feel their subtle arrogance on their words, you can feel their inflexibility.

Especially on the most infamous topic: Solipsism.

Edited 15 hours ago by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Its such a rare skill to people to be truly open-minded. It is a very simple skill, but really hard to obtain I would say. Fortunate are those who got this as a gift.

Even here on this forum, people say that they are open-minded but you can feel their subtle arrogance on their words, you can feel their inflexibility.

Especially on the most infamous topic: Solipsism.

I think when there is an emotional attachment or reaction to our ideas/beliefs being challenged, it is VERY difficult for us to clearly see this. So it becomes impossible to filter it out in language expression as it is somewhat unconscious. I do not exclude myself from this!

And Solipsism is just a bomb of a topic, so I am not surprised  

Openness is a rare diamond of a quality !

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I think this also ties into discernment vs judgement!

[Carl-Richard]

Be honest with what you think is reasonable and engage fully with whatever is presented to you. Then you can present whatever view that you've been exposed to and argue in their favor, and you will also discover which view you think is more reasonable relative to which metric (and which metrics you find most appealing).

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Its such a rare skill to people to be truly open-minded. It is a very simple skill, but really hard to obtain I would say. Fortunate are those who got this as a gift.

Even here on this forum, people say that they are open-minded but you can feel their subtle arrogance on their words, you can feel their inflexibility.

Especially on the most infamous topic: Solipsism.

Saying you value openmindedness is like saying you value truth. It doesn't say much. And often, people substitute it for being a softie who doesn't stand up to a counterargument or who is afraid to say what they feel or who doesn't have a opinion or a well-formed one.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 And often, people substitute it for being a softie who doesn't stand up to a counterargument or who is afraid to say what they feel or who doesn't have a opinion or a well-formed one.

Good point - leads to wet noodle syndrome

[Carl-Richard]

21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Good point - leads to wet noodle syndrome

Wet noodle 🫠

[Carl-Richard]

It must also be said that there is such a thing as errors that can be called out. Openmindedness does not mean everything goes. You can contradict yourself and somebody can call you out on it, but does that make them closeminded? "They're closedminded to errors". Well, if openmindedness means embracing errors and accepting dullmindedness and being generally wishy-washy about distinctions, then openmindedness is no longer a virtue. It suddenly becomes not such a high thing to strive for. In fact, it might be a contradiction of the concept.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

Is openness its own goal? What purpose does it serve? How do we balance that principle with groundedness? Together, they form a dynamic essential for discovery. Generally speaking, openness seems directed toward learning, effectiveness, or becoming conscious - in one form or another - which suggests there is something to be grasped. It is not simply "anything goes," nor is it merely about being overly abstract or philosophically entertained - unless that is your goal.

When we recognize that we don't know something, or that we lack skill in a given activity, we can open ourselves to possibilities beyond our usual patterns, knowledge, and viewpoint - even mind and perception.

There is also the trap of adopting openness only as a character trait - as a social manipulation and aspect of one's self-image. In this way, we may pretend to be open while failing to follow the principle in practice. And again, remaining rooted is key, in a way that acknowledges real possibilities. 

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[Eskilon]

9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Saying you value openmindedness is like saying you value truth. It doesn't say much

If you value truth you are already well above the rest - it DOES say much.

 

9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

And often, people substitute it for being a softie who doesn't stand up to a counterargument or who is afraid to say what they feel or who doesn't have a opinion or a well-formed one.

Like one old mysterious master once said "Arguing is for fools".

You only argue because you have some agenda, or you want to preserve your form. Which theres nothing wrong with that, just admit that it is your folly and that it is not better than any other folly out there.

Let's see how you argue when you meet the only certainty in your life: Death.

Edited 3 hours ago by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It must also be said that there is such a thing as errors that can be called out. Openmindedness does not mean everything goes.

It does mean that, it depends on how deep your experience is.

 

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You can contradict yourself and somebody can call you out on it, but does that make them closeminded? "They're closedminded to errors

Yes it does mean that from a certain point of view.

 

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Well, if openmindedness means embracing errors and accepting dullmindedness and being generally wishy-washy about distinctions, then openmindedness is no longer a virtue

That's just your values, you are against dullmindedness and being wishy-washy. But not everyone might be resistant of that.

[Eskilon]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think when there is an emotional attachment or reaction to our ideas/beliefs being challenged, it is VERY difficult for us to clearly see this. So it becomes impossible to filter it out in language expression as it is somewhat unconscious. I do not exclude myself from this!

And Solipsism is just a bomb of a topic, so I am not surprised  

Openness is a rare diamond of a quality !

I agree!

Emotional labor is a huge field of life. It is such a deep topic in human experience.

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

If you value truth you are already well above the rest - it DOES say much.

How many people do you think would honestly answer "do you value truth?" with "no"?

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Like one old mysterious master once said "Arguing is for fools".

You only argue because you have some agenda, or you want to preserve your form. Which theres nothing wrong with that, just admit that it is your folly and that it is not better than any other folly out there.

Let's see how you argue when you meet the only certainty in your life: Death.

Everybody is a fool. We're being fools right now. And there is being a fool and then there is being a dumb fool who retreats and backs down and collapses from a challenge. Who is insecure, contradictory, lacks integrity. Who argues a lot but then at some point decides they will not argue, for some non-virtuous reason, for a reason they can't argue for or stand for with their own values, for a reason they can't argue for or stand for if they were honest and transparent to themselves, not trying to hide from things and ultimately themselves.

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

It does mean that, it depends on how deep your experience is.

Yes it does mean that from a certain point of view.

When you say "so very few people are truly openminded, it's such a rare skill, it's a gift", is the first word that comes to your mind "error"? No, you absolutely treat it as a virtue. If you didn't treat it as a virtue, you would not value it. If there is a non-virtuous behavior, you would more readily describe it with a fitting word. If you run into somebody who constantly makes errors or contradicts themselves, you wouldn't say "this guy is very openminded", you would say "this guy is very full of crap".

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

That's just your values, you are against dullmindedness and being wishy-washy. But not everyone might be resistant of that.

Write down a list of five openminded people you can think of on the top of your head and then point out who is dullminded and wishy-washy.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[Yimpa]

As soon as I think I’ve landed on the “right” view, I find myself questioning whether it was ever true at all. On the surface it appears like doubt, but really it’s curiosity. The next moment, the view has already shifted into something completely different, opening doors to perspectives I’d never experience had I clung to a false idea of myself. It’s all in constant metamorphosis, endlessly shape-shifting. 

I really enjoy the album artwork here:

 

Edited 17 minutes ago by Yimpa

[TheSomeBody]

view is a tool, not an identity.