Sugarcoat

What if you were stuck in “nothingness”?

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I had a nightmare this week. 
I am a little weird in the way that I can kinda enjoy nightmares: because I find it interesting what my mind is able to imagine. I’m impressed sometimes by the complexity of my dreams. How my mind is able to imagine so vividly and structured without my conscious effort. I also tend to be somewhat aware while I dream that I’m dreaming: contributing to me not being very fearful of nightmares (although I can still be a little freaked out)

I don’t remember that much but what stood out about the nightmare was that I imagined that I was about to get “stuck” in a kind of nothingness.

Basically I dreamt that I was going to enter a state where my ego was still there, but all my senses were off, so no sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing etc. And I dreamt that I was being stuck in that nothingness and couldn’t escape, couldn’t move or nothing.

I wonder how that would be. Would one go absolutely insane from that? Like imagine if all your senses would “turn off” but you still had your ego and was aware of that “nothingness”. Creepy right. 

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I see you're pioneering new ways to enjoy suffering. :D

If you did the same but in a more useful direction, you'd have a better time. For instance, imagine you'd be satisfied with the present, meditating and doing mundane chores, working or studying now, despite discomfort, regardless of your experience. 

To engage with your story - is that really nothingness?

It is seen as an absence of sense perceptions as you now know them. We could also imagine that other animals have different sense perceptions than ours; since we don't, there's no problem for us in this domain. 

Not sure what I'm saying, anyway. 

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26 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I wonder how that would be. Would one go absolutely insane from that? Like imagine if all your senses would “turn off” but you still had your ego and was aware of that “nothingness”. Creepy right. 

@Sugarcoat Isn't this what nothingness awakening is? Your senses are gone but your self doesnt go away. I think its something like that, because otherwise, how can people report it? And most who report this kind of awakening said that they were terrified by it, meaning the self was there.

I think we do get into contact with nothingness everynight(deep sleep), but we just aren't aware of it(avidya/ignorance) we are not conscious in nothingness, thus we are ignorant of this facet of the self.

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@Eskilon Oh no, don't make stuff up. This still relates to perception and experience. 

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2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Eskilon Oh no, don't make stuff up. This still relates to perception and experience. 

Yeah, like everything? Can experience and perception cease?

Also, unless you are awake, you too make stuff up everytime so, yeah lmao.

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Please add a bolded font disclaimer at the top. Some unstable folks here might lose their beans ..even though your cute nightmare is nothing compared to what kind of hellish realms consciousness can imagine. 

To reduce nightmares: listen to ASMR.  Imagine beautiful flowers and rainbows and women (or handsome dudes if you are straight ) or listen to soothing music as you drift off .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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For me, ego dissolution feels exactly like this. It feels like I have nowhere to turn. Like I'm cornered and I literally can't do anything. Like the mind has been put through an industrial grinder and the only thing it results in is silence. Feels very uncomfortable but tis the price. And I have the cash.

I suppose it's just staying mindful of the value of what is being purchased

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38 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Yeah, like everything? Can experience and perception cease?

Also, unless you are awake, you too make stuff up everytime so, yeah lmao.

She already said it's something she imagined.

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BTW guys anyone here has an understanding of what dreams are ? Not from the materialist paradigm as electricity moving through neurons but like fucking bizarre hallucinations floating in empty space . If there was a pill I could take that will make me not dream at all in my entire future life I would sacrifice one of my two testicles for it .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Sounds like a sensory deprivation chamber,
or a physicality devoid solitary confinement cell,
or a recursively looping psychedelic trip.

As someone who had to learn how to dissociate, it's not actually that different from daily life.
Sitting in a bus for hours or driving the same repetitive roads for the same repetitive routine.

Most experiences in this world are made of liminal waiting periods, that's why everyone's on their phones.

Buddhists meditate for hours, mystics dance to enter trance, yogis disappear in caves for days.
And regular folks enjoy selective attention to blend out. So it's not as bad as you imagine.

Just another test of how well you can dissociate, get creative, or kill your ego not to care.


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Creepy. And interesting dream, like awareness without a "instrument" with senses like the human body. 

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6 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Sounds like a sensory deprivation chamber,
or a physicality devoid solitary confinement cell,
or a recursively looping psychedelic trip.

As someone who had to learn how to dissociate, it's not actually that different from daily life.
Sitting in a bus for hours or driving the same repetitive roads for the same repetitive routine.

Most experiences in this world are made of liminal waiting periods, that's why everyone's on their phones.

Buddhists meditate for hours, mystics dance to enter trance, yogis disappear in caves for days.
And regular folks enjoy selective attention to blend out. So it's not as bad as you imagine.

Just another test of how well you can dissociate, get creative, or kill your ego not to care.

One of a kind you are mate . Please keep posting more frequently. Your posts hit me like a train (that's a complement btw ).


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

One of a kind you are mate . Please keep posting more frequently. Your posts hit me like a train (that's a complement btw ).

I'm really glad to hear that, I love to post, just feel like it's all flowing into a void. I tend not to trust the coherence of my own thoughts since I rarely see them reflected, so I don't voice them often. Watching 1000x of podcasts on 16x speed I just end up expecting reality to transmit my contemplations and dissonances through brute force telepathic overflow into the collective unconscious if they are coherent enough to warrant public discourse. xD
Basically, "if they're profound, someone else already expressed them", otherwise "I'm probably overthinking", doesn't sound healthy when verbalized.

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3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

I see you're pioneering new ways to enjoy suffering. :D

 

I get occasional sleep paralysis. Some years back I had it like every week, and I very quickly learned to enjoy it. I enjoy weird hallucinations of the mind. I think I’m perfect candidate for psychedelics…

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

 

If you did the same but in a more useful direction, you'd have a better time. For instance, imagine you'd be satisfied with the present, meditating and doing mundane chores, working or studying now, despite discomfort, regardless of your experience. 

 

I have made significant improvements to my everyday state compared to a year back. But yes there’s potential for more. I feel some resistance to studying ngl , started studying recently, so would be cool to develop myself in that area. But then again some things are “supposed” to be hard. The process of learning requires a degree of friction for most (because it takes effort to understand)

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

 

To engage with your story - is that really nothingness?

It is seen as an absence of sense perceptions as you now know them. We could also imagine that other animals have different sense perceptions than ours; since we don't, there's no problem for us in this domain. 

Not sure what I'm saying, anyway. 

It’s a self (something) in nothingness I’d say (it’s nothingness from the pov of the self)

Maybe there is an objective world that exists even if our perception is off

Btw I don’t really wonder much about this sense-less state, I’m more fascinated by dreams in themselves (or just altered states of mind in general)

 

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3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

@Sugarcoat Isn't this what nothingness awakening is? Your senses are gone but your self doesnt go away. I think its something like that, because otherwise, how can people report it? And most who report this kind of awakening said that they were terrified by it, meaning the self was there.

 

Nothingness doesn’t have to mean absence of the current appearance. Limitlessness is nothing, because everything that is something is limited. So this moment may be nothing, meaning if you awoke to it you’d still perceive this moment but without the sense of “something” (limitation)

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

@Sugarcoat I think we do get into contact with nothingness everynight(deep sleep), but we just aren't aware of it(avidya/ignorance) we are not conscious in nothingness, thus we are ignorant of this facet of the self.

Well when we dream at night, it’s like we are conscious of nothing EXCEPT the activity of our own mind. You don’t see anything with your eyes when you dream, or any other sense. So it’s almost close to that hypothetical “nothingness” state I wrote

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3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Please add a bolded font disclaimer at the top. Some unstable folks here might lose their beans ..even though your cute nightmare is nothing compared to what kind of hellish realms consciousness can imagine. 

To reduce nightmares: listen to ASMR.  Imagine beautiful flowers and rainbows and women (or handsome dudes if you are straight ) or listen to soothing music as you drift off .

Lol if there’s a place for writing odd existential things it’s actualized .org

I dont mind nightmares so I don’t wanna stop them 

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3 hours ago, Aaron p said:

For me, ego dissolution feels exactly like this. It feels like I have nowhere to turn. Like I'm cornered and I literally can't do anything. Like the mind has been put through an industrial grinder and the only thing it results in is silence. Feels very uncomfortable but tis the price. And I have the cash.

I suppose it's just staying mindful of the value of what is being purchased

Omg I can relate to this. I wanna try more psychedelics but when I tried 5 Meo dmt it felt kinda like melting into enviroment, into “death/nothing” (yet the room you’re in is still the same) and it feels like your temporarily stuck in a way

Was kinda uncomfortable but I guess it is because there’s ego left reacting 

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@Sugarcoat I see, let's say nothingness is neither of that, it's up for grabs. 

Sounds good, good luck. 

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2 hours ago, Someone here said:

BTW guys anyone here has an understanding of what dreams are ? Not from the materialist paradigm as electricity moving through neurons but like fucking bizarre hallucinations floating in empty space . If there was a pill I could take that will make me not dream at all in my entire future life I would sacrifice one of my two testicles for it .

I love dreaming. I am fascinated by what my mind can create. I wonder if there can be spiritual symbols/signs in dreams. If dreams, the hypnagogic state, sleep paralysis can be psychic /spiritual . I have confirmed it directly in my experience (of clairvoyance in the hypnagogic state for example). 
 

If you just calm down it can be a good experience 

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2 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Sounds like a sensory deprivation chamber,
or a physicality devoid solitary confinement cell,
or a recursively looping psychedelic trip.

As someone who had to learn how to dissociate, it's not actually that different from daily life.
Sitting in a bus for hours or driving the same repetitive roads for the same repetitive routine.

Most experiences in this world are made of liminal waiting periods, that's why everyone's on their phones.

Buddhists meditate for hours, mystics dance to enter trance, yogis disappear in caves for days.
And regular folks enjoy selective attention to blend out. So it's not as bad as you imagine.

Just another test of how well you can dissociate, get creative, or kill your ego not to care.

There could maybe be be spiritual value to  it

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