The Biggest "Blunder" Of Reality That Everyone Overlooks

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok, i think we jumped the gun a bit. I get that but what about you and i in the same room seeing the same thing with different sets of eyes. Forget about the experience of it, just the direct seeing of it, how can we both see the same thing with different eyes i'm asking.

When I said "experience", I meant "direct seeing".

When you and I touch the snow, are we feeling the same thing at the same time?

Edited yesterday at 03:12 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

Seeing others' eyes is the same thing as feeling others' touch.

So, if we are going to say, "How come we see the same thing?" then we should also say, "How come we feel the same thing?"

[Joshe]

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You and i are standing in the wind. We both feel it. No issue there. According to you, it is my perception that feels the wind and your perception that feels the same wind but at the same time we can have different perceptions on how the wind is experienced. You can say the wind feels annoying because it gets in your eyes and I can say I love the feel of the wind because without it it feels hot. 

And what is it according to you? It seems that you're pointing at objective things that can permeate the consciousness of multiple agents, and you're intuiting there's potentially something more profound about those objective things than we realize. Is that what you're getting at? If so, it's an interesting idea. 

[Hojo]

Im gunna say its an emotional attachment, identity thing/ survival thing. If you identify with your car and you crash the front you will say and feel ow even if your body dosent get hurt. Your body is the same thing only you are hyper identified with it, even tho you keep saying there is no me you still think there is. When it totally goes away you wont do this a bomb will go off and you wont notice or  move internally. If you dont move internally you wont know what it was cause you wont try to think about what it was. You can have varying degrees of this where a bomb goes off and you feel shock but instantly come back to steady and dont question.

A baby is running and falls and scratches itself and then dosent react but it stands up and looks at its parents react and then it reacts the same way. In the same way as this you have learned to react to everything you react too. Now a bomb goes off you start mind sprinting into what it can be, picture that get scared and then react. You want to reverse all these and then suddenly a bomb will go off and you wont know how to react( like the baby) and then wont. Someone will slap you you wont know how to react cause you dont know what just happened.

Then after awhile you will be able to choose how you want to react in any situation and you are dis identified with princess Arabia.

There are 2 machines smelling toast but no one is in them, they do feel things but no one is feeling them. You do exist and you come into the machine and say all of this is happening but I dont know how to react to any of it and you look at other machines and mimic them, and the mimic in the bodies expressions will create a sense that tells you which emotion to feel.

Facial expressions are like QR codes to qualia. If you see someone give you a mean face you will feel that qualia. If someone cries you will feel the qualia and your body will mimic the expression completely based around the QR code (facial expression) you are witnessing, cause thats what the body does its a monkey see monkey do machine.

So when a bomb goes off and you react the way you do its cause your mom reacted that way and you are copying her.

Yes a bomb is going off in the siulation but the bomb isnt what it looks like to a human in the simulation its code. The human body a logical machine creates a story of whats happening. What is happening is not what the the light see its not a bomb its the qualia of your skin melting off.

Edited yesterday at 05:32 PM by Hojo

[Joshe]

36 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Facial expressions are like QR codes to qualia. If you see someone give you a mean face you will feel that qualia. If someone cries you will feel the qualia and your body will mimic the expression completely based around the QR code (facial expression) you are witnessing, cause thats what the body does its a monkey see monkey do machine.

So when a bomb goes off and you react the way you do its cause your mom reacted that way and you are copying her.

The degree of monkey-see monkey-do seems to correlate with the degree of consciousness or metacognition. 

[Hojo]

@JosheYea later in life but we all have to do it before we become real its how the body learns to navigate reality.

[theleelajoker]

@Hojo

So you're saying life if like a sinus curve, at first we learn to identify with our emotions, thoughts, body sensations. And it's necessary because that's how me manage survival/ daily life.

And how we learn is mostly copy paste from direct environment (see also book "how emotions are constructed e.g.)

Then the curve points in other direction and with less identification we reach more freedom? Less reaction, more action?

[Hojo]

@theleelajokerYes, not freedom from life but freedom from struggle. Every action you do is a mask you put on from other people. If you stop identifying and let the body do what it wants without judging it (which is still a mask made from other people, judgment on yourself) you will stop identifying with it. Every identification is like a hair sewing your soul to your reality and you identify with what you dont like. If you can stop them all the hairs that you have sewn between you and reality will be released and you will see you are actually in another dimension(heaven) looking into this one. And your reality was  being created by neuron in Gods mind that you thought was a human experience. 

Edited yesterday at 06:12 PM by Hojo

[niko123]

We can see the same thing because physical laws apply to us and so the light refracting out of the item you are seeing also comes into the eyes of another person. Purely scientifically speaking. Why light is exactly this way? I don't know lol

[Mellowmarsh]

@Princess Arabia In answer to your OP..my two pence worth.

The reason others pain is not felt as your pain is because others are only an idea in you, the you is awareness. So all physical pain is known fundamentally only from the perspective of the awareness that is you. In the awareness that is you, the idea of others can manifest as a sense of others feeling what you feel, but this is an illusion because there are no others. Just as there’s no multiple separate awareness’s, and is why we all see the same things, feel and sense the same things. Yet these things are all manifestations within boundless awareness, they don’t exist outside of awareness. Awareness is fundamentally solipsistic in nature.  In that it doesn’t recognise the existence of other awareness’s outside of awareness itself, it’s all there is. Awareness being infinitely boundless and aware of every manifestation, cannot itself recognise separation existing outside of itself.It is also both one with and free of all this apparent manifestation. 
 

 

 

 

 

[theleelajoker]

12 hours ago, Hojo said:

@theleelajokerYes, not freedom from life but freedom from struggle. Every action you do is a mask you put on from other people. If you stop identifying and let the body do what it wants without judging it (which is still a mask made from other people, judgment on yourself) you will stop identifying with it. Every identification is like a hair sewing your soul to your reality and you identify with what you dont like. If you can stop them all the hairs that you have sewn between you and reality will be released and you will see you are actually in another dimension(heaven) looking into this one. And your reality was  being created by neuron in Gods mind that you thought was a human experience. 

Ok thanks. I already notice identifying much less and a lightness that can come with it. 

Funny how you say it re judging yourself, it's a topic I discussed yesterday with a friend. What happens to our life if there's no more self judgement, no more "something is not right with me"?

Any advice on how to further reduce identify?  How do you do it?

Edited 16 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

Any advice on how to further reduce identify?  How do you do it?

Self enquiry - am I that? What am I? What am I NOT? etc

[theleelajoker]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Self enquiry - am I that? What am I? What am I NOT? etc

Yeah could have guessed that

I am everything I perceive, and I am NOT that what I perceive. 

[UnbornTao]

I'd begin with 'Who'. 'What' is a different question.

@theleelajoker Don't jump to conclusions. What's perceived comes to you or is received by you, is it not? Keep digging.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

I'd begin with 'Who'. 'What' is a different question.

@theleelajoker Don't jump to conclusions. What's perceived comes to you or is received by you, is it not? Keep digging.

Hm don't see the difference in who or what for that question?  Who or what is to make difference in language, is it human (who) or something else (what). In my conclusion now it's neither, not, or both or (...) all the same. 

Also don't understand your other pointer?

It's perceived and created my 'me', it's both. Not sure what "comes to you" means here 

[UnbornTao]

40 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Hm don't see the difference in who or what for that question?  Who or what is to make difference in language, is it human (who) or something else (what). In my conclusion now it's neither, not, or both or (...) all the same. 

Also don't understand your other pointer?

It's perceived and created my 'me', it's both. Not sure what "comes to you" means here 

"Who" refers to the recognition of the conscious entity that you are. 'What' is about the "substance" of that being. The first one is actually not an enlightenment question, it's more like an insight.

To be clear, an anwer isn't the goal - we're just taking a look:

You see, hear, touch, and think, as well as feel and experience. None of that is who you are since it is being received by you. You don't find yourself in a perception or experience. Where is you to be found in those? Without extrapolating, who is experiencing those things? Get you directly. 

Again, don't believe me. Just wanted to open up this consideration a bit.

[theleelajoker]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

"Who" refers to the recognition of the conscious entity that you are. 'What' is about the "substance" of that being. The first one is actually not an enlightenment question, it's more like an insight.

To be clear, an anwer isn't the goal - we're just taking a look:

You see, hear, touch, and think, as well as feel and experience. None of that is who you are since it is being received by you. You don't find yourself in a perception or experience. Where is you to be found in those? Without extrapolating, who is experiencing those things? Get you directly. 

Again, don't believe me. Just wanted to open up this consideration a bit.

Thx. Opening things up is good. Also, pointer is more clear now.

[UnbornTao]

7 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Thx. Opening things up is good. Also, pointer is more clear now.

👍

[Princess Arabia]

19 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@Princess Arabia In answer to your OP..my two pence worth.

The reason others pain is not felt as your pain is because others are only an idea in you, the you is awareness. So all physical pain is known fundamentally only from the perspective of the awareness that is you. In the awareness that is you, the idea of others can manifest as a sense of others feeling what you feel, but this is an illusion because there are no others. Just as there’s no multiple separate awareness’s, and is why we all see the same things, feel and sense the same things. Yet these things are all manifestations within boundless awareness, they don’t exist outside of awareness. Awareness is fundamentally solipsistic in nature.  In that it doesn’t recognise the existence of other awareness’s outside of awareness itself, it’s all there is. Awareness being infinitely boundless and aware of every manifestation, cannot itself recognise separation existing outside of itself.It is also both one with and free of all this apparent manifestation. 
 

 

 

 

 

There's no awareness in me. Ideas are not in me. "Ideas in me that is awareness" can't be because awareness is supposed to be aware of ideas. You say we all see the same things but I guess except for the blind. Their shit's out of luck.

You say boundless awareness then say they don't exist outside of awareness. Doesn't exist inside either if it's boundless because there is no outside or inside boundlessness. "Within boundless awareness" is a contradiction. Awareness cannot be infinitely boundless and also BE AWARE OF anything....that's not infinite. Awareness cannot be everything and also be AWARE OF ANYTHING. It also cannot be one with because that's separation that became one. ONE WITH implies two. 

Your whole narrative is flawed but it's OK, it's this awareness thing that gets people. No such thing. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

Another got no where post. Not many will attempt these notions because it imply no one there that's seeing anything and the senses are imaginary and perception is an illusion so is perspectives, consciousness and awareness. These are, don't get me wrong but they are for no one. No one owns anything. No one owns eyes. Those eyes are decorations , they see nothing. Seeing is just happening. I'm still waiting for an explanation to change my illusory perspective. No explanation in this thread explained how seeing the same things is possible from different bodies without splitting reality into pieces. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Princess Arabia