Leo, why do you say You Are God if only you exist?

[Spiral Wizard]

In my solipsistic awakening it seemed like the other people where literally just dream characters with no perspective of their own. Just like when I dream at night. I would not tell a dream character in a lucid dream at night that they are ‘the dreamer’ because I know they don’t have a conscious perspective like I have.

In the same way, I am the only perspective all of reality has in this moment. Everything else is just appearance / hallow puppets imagined by me as Consciousness/God/The Dreamer. 

If this your solipsistic perspective as well, why do you teach ‘You Are God’? Isn’t it more true to say, I am God and you all are NPCs I imagine?

Also, when I tell you this, do you believe me when I say that I DO HAVE a conscious perspective right now? I’m curious to inquire more deeply. Do you think it’s BS (I don’t actually have a perspective) and I’m in fact just your dream trying to convince you to buy into the illusion of other perspectives? Because if so, let’s see if we can get to the ground of this because I’m telling you, right now, I do have a perspective. 

 

PS.: for context, I think it’s hilarious now that I’ve had a solipsistic awakening to speak with other solipsists. I’ve answered the question above partly for myself but I intuit that in a robust conversation/‘DYAD sparring session’ with another solid solipsist new aspects could reveal themselves.

Edited Saturday at 06:28 AM by Spiral Wizard

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

In my solipsistic awakening it seemed like the other people where literally just dream characters with no perspective of their own. Just like when I dream at night. I would not tell a dream character in a lucid dream at night that they are ‘the dreamer’ because I know they don’t have a conscious perspective like I have.

In the same way, I am the only perspective all of reality has in this moment. Everything else is just appearance / hallow puppets imagined by me as Consciousness/God/The Dreamer. 

If this your solipsistic perspective as well, why do you teach ‘You Are God’? Isn’t it more true to say, I am God and you all are NPCs I imagine?

 

In order to awaken YOU he has to first omit the first rule of Solpsism.   But you're right if he were truly being solipsistic he would have to admit that he was the only thing in existence and there was no one else with a perspective.  No "other".  This is true lucid dreaming but you can't live like that full time because then you would just fade away into your own solipsistic bubble- completely alone.  So in truth we play along with the dream - we exist in the relative..so..according to his dream you would have your own perspective though from an Absolute sense this would exist within his perspective..within his dream.  So It comes down to what perspective you are coming from but perspectives exist even if they really don't objectively.  So from my perspective I am God and you are a dream character. From your perspective you are God. Of course your perspective actually exists within my perspective.  And from your perspective my perspective exists within you.   But your perspective is within mine so you can see where it can get paradoxical.  Because just me talking to you is me dreaming up that you have a perspective up until i turn it inwards or self reference.   That is where you get into lucid dreaming which again is really not as fun as you would think it is to be doing full time.  It's more fun to fully immerse and imagine "other" is real or that it exists.

Edited Saturday at 12:17 PM by Inliytened1

[OBEler]

Good question. I remember someone asked his dream character in a lucid dream if they have their own perspective etc and they denied that and they told him they are real and not real at the same time and limited by his memory so they cannot teach him new things:

 

So why will not in this reality admits some human that he is just a fiction in my mind and has no conscious perspective, only I have.

I know this doesn't prove anything because all happens in my mind anyway.

Edited Saturday at 12:06 PM by OBEler

[Inliytened1]

@OBEler it's not that fun to truly lucid dream.  I become lucid only part of the time. Most of the time I'm asleep. Meaning I'm dreaming other.  Lucidity has its usefulness but full time lucidity is not that immersive or fun to me. I'd rather fully immerse in the dream. And for that, other is required.

Edited Saturday at 12:16 PM by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

I'm sorry for not adding any substance to the topic ..but we've been having this kind of conversations for more than 5 years on weekly basis on this forum .doesn't it not "click " yet that it leads to nowhere ?

Here's a question: why do you even care whether solipsism is true or not ? Do you not have a PlayStation device? 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm sorry for not adding any substance to the topic ..but we've been having this kind of conversations for more than 5 years on weekly basis on this forum .doesn't it not "click " yet that it leads to nowhere ?

Here's a question: why do you even care whether solipsism is true or not ? Do you not have a PlayStation device? 

Because the topic of Solipsism is Spiritual Drama or Entertainment for most around here, it makes their heart beat which makes them feel alive.. it draws the most attention for mostly that reason, hence why I started a thread about why no one here is really Enlightened or knows anything about Enlightenment, if they did, not much drama would be happening here as it is now daily!

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Because the topic of Solipsism is Spiritual Drama or Entertainment for most around here, it makes their heart beat which makes them feel alive.. it draws the most attention for mostly that reason, hence why I started a thread about why no one here is really Enlightened or knows anything about Enlightenment, if they did, not much drama would be happening here as it is now daily!

You are partially correct . But at the Same time I acknowledge people's curiosity or ruthless search for truth or enlightenment.  Maybe that's what's driving this question about solipsism. And maybe it's just entertainment.  I don't think OP is messing about .but my point is he can use the search bar and search for all of Leo's posts about solipsism .

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm sorry for not adding any substance to the topic ..but we've been having this kind of conversations for more than 5 years on weekly basis on this forum .doesn't it not "click " yet that it leads to nowhere ?

Here's a question: why do you even care whether solipsism is true or not ? Do you not have a PlayStation device? 

You're the worst example of this. I'm already awake so I can fuss around here. You aren't.   So really why hasn't it clicked for you? I suggest you take a dose of your own medicine and get the hell off here. Go join an ashram or something. Anything but here.  Because it's worse than playing GTA3 imo.

And BTW i know you're trying.

Edited Saturday at 02:27 PM by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I'm already awake

 

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

You aren't

Seriously man ? You want me to engage with this ?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Someone here said:

 

Seriously man ? You want me to engage with this ?

I know you're trying to get off here. You're here a lot less frequently.  And yes. I'm 55 and I was enlightened at 48. I don't have much else to do at this point. Yeah I have a house and a wife and a dog. All that good stuff. But I've lived and also died.  You have yet to live. So go live.  I don't care if you entertain it or not.  

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You are partially correct . But at the Same time I acknowledge people's curiosity or ruthless search for truth or enlightenment.  Maybe that's what's driving this question about solipsism. And maybe it's just entertainment.  I don't think OP is messing about .but my point is he can use the search bar and search for all of Leo's posts about solipsism .

Yes at the least ppl are aware of the concept of Enlightenment, and it resonates with them, but trying to find it here or anywhere on the internet is basically a losing battle, its not found there, its found within You as a certain Potential, all One needs is a method to allow that Potential to rise up and become Experiential, but ppl are too intellectually identified, everything is mind, thoughts, concepts, theories and over and over again..

Sadhguru says never make Spirituality a study, don't study it, if You do then what is happening here on this forum daily is the result, repeating threads, repeated replies, ppl with thousands of post/replies and it means nothing a day or two afterwards, all it can do is inspire in a small way until one realizes its up to themselves within themselves to find the Answers, certainly not here!

[Someone here]

@Inliytened1 I obviously don't care about your personal life . But slow down ..why are you triggered and taking it personally ?

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes at the least ppl are aware of the concept of Enlightenment, and it resonates with them, but trying to find it here or anywhere on the internet is basically a losing battle, its not found there, its found within You as a certain Potential, all One needs is a method to allow that Potential to rise up and become Experiential, but ppl are too intellectually identified, everything is mind, thoughts, concepts, theories and over and over again..

Sadhguru says never make Spirituality a study, don't study it, if You do then what is happening here on this forum daily is the result, repeating threads, repeated replies, ppl with thousands of post/replies and it means nothing a day or two afterwards, all it can do is inspire in a small way until one realizes its up to themselves within themselves to find the Answers, certainly not here!

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Inliytened1 I obviously don't care about your personal life . But slow down ..why are you triggered and taking it personally ?

How else should I take anything? I'm a person right? Isn't that the fun of it? Look..you're right sitting around here all day is going to get you absolutely nowhere when it comes to truth.  However it will get you much further than a philosophy class in college.  Those classes suck. Here you get advanced material from awakened beings.  There you get an average professor in a rat race for the highest salary.  So there is that.  The discussions here are productive- but they won't get you to Absolute Truth. If you want that  - again do the practices. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I'm a person right?

10 minutes of self-inquiry and you will laugh hysterically at this statement. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

10 minutes of self-inquiry and you will laugh hysterically at this statement. 

😀  so what do you have to report?

Edited Saturday at 02:43 PM by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

He's partially correct, by the Way Robert was Spiritually gifted from what I know it came to him naturally, but even he sought out Sages and Masters! For the ungifted they need to do something, the doing is about getting rid of the shit that is preventing them from the natural experience ppl like Robert had, its really a UnDoing but if its not a natural experience for someone then they need to do something (Sadhana) to make it natural!!

[Salariatu]

Leo is not God, he never realized that, he only hallucinated. 

[yetineti]

God is a human construct based around control.

Whatever qualities you assign to God you assign to yourself and subsequently Reality.

Less is more. No amount of qualities will equate to reality.

For every quality you assign to God or Reality, you must assign an equal but opposite quality; infinite regress.

Every quality (including Consciousness, Infinity, Love, etc.) has an opposite.

Lack of quality has an opposite.

The qualities themselves exist nondualistically and CAN be explained.

The dualities they then reside in cannot.

Reality, from a perspective, is dualistic and opposing and will always feel like a battle.

—

Edit: You are God, though. Can’t escape that. Who else would be in charge? 

Just because the entanglement between God and Reality and understanding is inarticulable doesn’t mean the individual concepts do not exist.

God is control and that control is You.

You could very easily assign your lucid dream characters authority— if you realize that authority is your’s to give.

It’s not like you’re God AND you’re not in charge haha. One or the other.

 

Edited Saturday at 08:53 PM by yetineti

[Bufo Alvarius]

23 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

In my solipsistic awakening it seemed like the other people where literally just dream characters with no perspective of their own. Just like when I dream at night. I would not tell a dream character in a lucid dream at night that they are ‘the dreamer’ because I know they don’t have a conscious perspective like I have.

In the same way, I am the only perspective all of reality has in this moment. Everything else is just appearance / hallow puppets imagined by me as Consciousness/God/The Dreamer. 

If this your solipsistic perspective as well, why do you teach ‘You Are God’? Isn’t it more true to say, I am God and you all are NPCs I imagine?

Also, when I tell you this, do you believe me when I say that I DO HAVE a conscious perspective right now? I’m curious to inquire more deeply. Do you think it’s BS (I don’t actually have a perspective) and I’m in fact just your dream trying to convince you to buy into the illusion of other perspectives? Because if so, let’s see if we can get to the ground of this because I’m telling you, right now, I do have a perspective. 

 

PS.: for context, I think it’s hilarious now that I’ve had a solipsistic awakening to speak with other solipsists. I’ve answered the question above partly for myself but I intuit that in a robust conversation/‘DYAD sparring session’ with another solid solipsist new aspects could reveal themselves.

The realization that “I am the only perspective in this moment” is a collapse of externality and separation and reveals that experience is not happening in an external reality, but as immediate, first-person phenomena.

However, the mistake is turning this experiential collapse into an ontological closure, i.e. “therefore others do not and cannot have perspectives”.

You don’t have access to other perspectives, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. You never did. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Solipsism cannot prove others are hollow, it simply proves that others are inaccessible from here, just as your own past or future is.

To claim ontologically “they are just my dream” is a leap beyond what direct phenomenology actually shows. If I claim “I am the only real perspective,” and you claim the same from your side, then either:

1. One of us is “real” and the other is a NPC (but this cannot be determined without begging the question), or

2. Being is appearing as simultaneous centers of consciousness, each structurally identical, each with an “onlyness” that feels exclusive from the inside.

The perspective under Nr. 2 honors this symmetry: Each ‘I’ is the same Being dreaming from different nodal points, like one sun reflected in many mirrors. The dream is shared, but each dreamer has a local first-person seat --> not distributed across space, but arising always as here/now, since Being does not move through space or time but modulates within itself, like multiple programs running in parallel on your PC: each has its local state, but they share the same memory space and central processor. No thread is outside the system, every process is this process, just seen from a different window.

This does not mean duality returns. It’s not about “me” and “you” as separate entities again. It means that there is only Being. That Being is modulating itself as simultaneous experiential perspectives, each containing the illusion of solipsistic centrality. Just as you cannot access my experience, I cannot access yours, but both are actual. The “NPC” frame collapses here: every node is as real as yours, because it is yours, just from another angle.

Radical solipsism as described by you is useful for deconstructing identification, but if you stop there, you may fall into existential nihilism or egoic inflation (“only I am real”) and fundamentally misunderstand relationship and reflection as illusory, when they’re in fact profound tools for awakening.