Self is Still

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia if that were true you wouldn't be able to use the concepts the body is using and your field of view would mush together into one thing and you couldn't identify with anything. You would probably go to another dimension.

You're assuming there's a "you" here using anything. Assuming I have a 'field of view'. That all arises with the sense of illusory self. There are no real dimensions.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Do you have a sense of self? Like do you wake up in the morning and feel “I am *insert your name”. Do you feel located behind the eyes? If not, sure speak in absolute terms, but if you answered yes, hmmm isn’t the absolute only concept to you then? Or maybe you resonate deeply with it and think that’s enough for you to speak in those terms

Yes, I do sense a sense of self. I'm just like everybody else. Nobody is any different. We project enlightenment and noself unto others. It's not conceptual either. It's quite obvious there's no one in the driver's seat. I do sense that I'm located behind the eyes, but that's also obvious it's just a sense just as I can smell an orange. The smell of an orange isn't conceptual. Same here, the sense of no doer isn't conceptual. It's just not arising over there, but there's no actual over there either. 

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm nowhere only seem to be. I sense a self here, but it's illusory. "You already are" suggests boundary, time and space, a position and a center; there's none.

No. Body borns and dies.

You are the The Now, Moment. 

That's it.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

No. Body borns and dies.

You are the The Now, Moment. 

That's it.

Body doesn't born and dies. Body appears to an observer and a dead body also appears to an observer. No observer, it's just what is appearing. Observer abstracts and seems to see a body that's born and a body that dies. That's the illusion. There's just a body that appears and doesn't. A dead body was never alive. It's the Absolute appearing as a dead body timelessly.

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, I do sense a sense of self. I'm just like everybody else. Nobody is any different. We project enlightenment and noself unto others. It's not conceptual either. It's quite obvious there's no one in the driver's seat. I do sense that I'm located behind the eyes, but that's also obvious it's just a sense just as I can smell an orange. The smell of an orange isn't conceptual. Same here, the sense of no doer isn't conceptual. It's just not arising over there, but there's no actual over there either. 

Cool. Was it a specific moment a shift happened? So would you say enlightenment is like everything is exactly the same it’s just that the realness of the self drops? But the sense of self is still there, just not feeling absolutely real, meaning the non dual nature of all shines through it 

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Cool. Was it a specific moment a shift happened? So would you say enlightenment is like everything is exactly the same it’s just that the realness of the self drops? But the sense of self is still there, just not feeling absolutely real, meaning the non dual nature of all shines through it 

First, there's no such thing as enlightenment because there's no one to become enlightened. All this enlightenment talk is the Absolute talking. "Enlightenmenting". Nothing actually drops, just revealed it never happened. There's no non-dual nature of anything to shine through anything. All is already Absolute, whole and complete. Even the notion that there's a self to drop and that "all shines through it" is Absolute whole and complete. There's nothing that isn't. Can't be where there's no separation. There's nothing to get right and nothing to get wrong. That's only in the dream which isn't really happening anyway. This is total freedom already appearing as.......

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

First, there's no such thing as enlightenment because there's no one to become enlightened. All this enlightenment talk is the Absolute talking. "Enlightenmenting". Nothing actually drops, just revealed it never happened. There's no non-dual nature of anything to shine through anything. All is already Absolute, whole and complete. Even the notion that there's a self to drop and that "all shines through it" is Absolute whole and complete. There's nothing that isn't. Can't be where there's no separation. There's nothing to get right and nothing to get wrong. That's only in the dream which isn't really happening anyway. This is total freedom already appearing as.......

Are you sure this is a direct knowing rather than just having listened to non dualists talking and then adopting their sayings subconsciously and it starting to seem like you got it for real?

[Keryo Koffa]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you sure this is a direct knowing rather than just having listened to non dualists talking and then adopting their sayings subconsciously and it starting to seem like you got it for real?

You know what they say: Fake it 'till you make it. 

Edited August 24 by Keryo Koffa

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you sure this is a direct knowing rather than just having listened to non dualists talking and then adopting their sayings subconsciously and it starting to seem like you got it for real?

This is not a direct knowing. I don't know this. Nobody knows this. It's sensed.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

You know what they say: Fake it 'till you make it. 

Nothing is real.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is not a direct knowing. I don't know this. Nobody knows this. It's sensed.

So maybe you’re just like everyone else except you resonate with non duality? Then you’re like me too

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

So maybe you’re just like everyone else except you resonate with non duality? Then you’re like me too

I said earlier I was just like everyone else. I'm not claiming anything. 

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Nothing is real.

Even knowing its artificiality, what it can be and all that can fall away, there's still experiencing.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Even knowing its artificiality, what it can be and all that can fall away, there's still experiencing.

Yes. Experience is an illusion. Requires an experiencer. Experiencer isn't actually there.

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Schizophonia]

Why do I have the feeling that behind this kind of topic there are quite simple realities but complicated by all the participants so that their ego can continue to identify with it.

Edited August 24 by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

24 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I said earlier I was just like everyone else. I'm not claiming anything. 

But there’s a difference in that for you it’s sensed that the self isn’t real?

[James123]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Body doesn't born and dies. Body appears to an observer and a dead body also appears to an observer. No observer, it's just what is appearing. Observer abstracts and seems to see a body that's born and a body that dies. That's the illusion. There's just a body that appears and doesn't. A dead body was never alive. It's the Absolute appearing as a dead body timelessly.

Tell that observer dead body hi and wait for his / her response. 😊 

Best Regards,

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, James123 said:

Tell that observer dead body hi and wait for his / her response. 😊 

Best Regards,

No it won't. The same way a live tree won't respond back hi. A live person isn't responding either. It's the Absolute responding to itself. No one responds to anyone. Not even here. Responding is happening all on it's own and without a responder.

 

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia Are you experiencing a qualia of being inside of a human body?

[Princess Arabia]

43 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia Are you experiencing a qualia of being inside of a human body?

Yes. It's a felt sense. There's also a felt sense that it's not. It comes and goes. It's hard to explain. What is quite obvious, though, is that there's no one here nor there. We can't be individuals sharing the same senses and it be real. I'm reading your writings and you reading my writings. Can't be. Two separate individuals can't be sensing the same things. Plus by the time you've read this it'll be time passing and time is an illusion so the reader and writer have to be illusory.

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia