Biggest Fumble of My Life (DO NOT REPEAT)

[Schizophonia]

29 minutes ago, AION said:

Meanly 🫣

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29 minutes ago, AION said:

Kids don’t make sense for selfish people. It is purely sacrifice which selfish people don’t want to do thus the population decline you dummy.  

Yes, but you have children for pleasure, so for yourself, regardless of the fact that it involves effort.

[AION]

17 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

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Yes, but you have children for pleasure, so for yourself, regardless of the fact that it involves effort.

If kids were pleasure everybody would be taking them all the time. Instead we have a population collapse. 

I thought DJing would be fun. Now I’m one. And I found out that I liked the idea more than the actual thing. I think it is with children too for most people. 

Edited August 26 by AION

[theleelajoker]

4 hours ago, meta_male said:

Agreed, game is a cringe word. You look robotic if you strategize every move instead of just living and connecting. But when you haven’t had success, it’s easy to think you need to overcompensate with pickup. That's why PUAs are the biggest creeps. Pure inauthenticity and desperation. 

Happy that someone see it like I do  

Two of the three people that are really good at picking up women - and I mean REALLY good, one guy picks up more women in one year than I did in my lifetime - are literally psychopaths. They strategized every move, they learned every trick in the book to manipulate people (especially women) and to maximize their appearance. But with very few and small exceptions, they are almost completely incapable of truly feeling and connecting (I know because one told me directly ( something like ~ "I think something is wrong with me I can't feel that") , and with the other one it's obvious + he says it indirectly). 

The third guy does not fall into this fully category, he's much more connected to others and himself, much more self reflected. He's also strategizing, playing PUA games, but he definitely has empathy and he's not using (better: abusing) people the same way the other two do it. 

48 minutes ago, AION said:

Kids don’t make sense for selfish people. It is purely sacrifice which selfish people don’t want to do thus the population decline you dummy.  

You sacrifice - but you sacrifice for selfish reasons. As strange as this sentence maybe sounds.

You make the choice to have kids because YOU WANT TO. Of course you give up other things, but I don't know ANY parents that have kids for any other reason but themselves. You make the (hopefully) conscious choice to prefer the feeling of being a parent, with all responsibility because you want that. I never ever heard any person without kids say anything but "I want kids." Big fat emphasis on the "I". It's biological programming to want that, OK, and that's required for survival. But it's selfish motivation first, second and third. 

[AION]

9 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Happy that someone see it like I do  

Two of the three people that are really good at picking up women - and I mean REALLY good, one guy picks up more women in one year than I did in my lifetime - are literally psychopaths. They strategized every move, they learned every trick in the book to manipulate people (especially women) and to maximize their appearance. But with very few and small exceptions, they are almost completely incapable of truly feeling and connecting (I know because one told me directly ( something like ~ "I think something is wrong with me I can't feel that") , and with the other one it's obvious + he says it indirectly). 

The third guy does not fall into this fully category, he's much more connected to others and himself, much more self reflected. He's also strategizing, playing PUA games, but he definitely has empathy and he's not using (better: abusing) people the same way the other two do it. 

You sacrifice - but you sacrifice for selfish reasons. As strange as this sentence maybe sounds.

You make the choice to have kids because YOU WANT TO. Of course you give up other things, but I don't know ANY parents that have kids for any other reason but themselves. You make the (hopefully) conscious choice to prefer the feeling of being a parent, with all responsibility because you want that. I never ever heard any person without kids say anything but "I want kids." Big fat emphasis on the "I". It's biological programming to want that, OK, and that's required for survival. But it's selfish motivation first, second and third. 

Define self 

[meta_male]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Kids don’t make sense for selfish people. It is purely sacrifice which selfish people don’t want to do thus the population decline you dummy.  

What's not selfish about wanting a mini version of me that loves me unconditionally? Also, try harder with the roasts next time.

22 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Two of the three people that are really good at picking up women - and I mean REALLY good, one guy picks up more women in one year than I did in my lifetime - are literally psychopaths.

Exactly. Living like that makes you look like a clown in the long run. I do think you gotta be on the psychopath spectrum to do it consciously. I did manipulate women in my 20s too, then had to unlearn that stuff for years. Just isn't worth the brain rot it leaves behind. Pickup maybe helps virgins push through, but if you stay in it you identify with someone who's stuck in never-enough-sex mode.

 

[AION]

@meta_male they will love you unconditionally? Do you even live on this planet ? 😂 It is cheaper to take a puppy in that case. Because that won’t be a financial, emotional, mental and physical drain. 

Edited August 26 by AION

[meta_male]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

they will love you unconditionally? Do you even live on this planet ?

Do you? That's what parents-to-be want. As in: that's what they expect. Whether it works out for them or not is another question. Read more carefully..?

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, meta_male said:

Do you? That's what parents-to-be want. As in: that's what they expect. Whether it works out for them or not is another question. Read more carefully..?

He isn't wrong most of the time your children will be more or less ungrateful. 

It is essentially a pleasure to give.

[Elliott]

People want to live on through their kids, it's pure ego, otherwise, why not adopt all the orphans. They want a redo on their life through their kids. Kids are their trophy like a nice car or house. Kids are there to take care of them when they're old too, you hear it all the time from parents.

If parents were selfless, we would live in a totally different reality.

I want kids, and I want to be the best parent and my kids to have the best life and be the happiest, myself.

But

"I want kids, and i want to be the best parent and my kids to have the best life and be the happiest, myself." It's purely selfish, I admit. Not that I'm going to be abusive or manipulative, I want them to choose their own life, but they will be My kids.

Edited August 26 by Elliott

[meta_male]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

It is essentially a pleasure to give.

Yeah I get that, but there's billions of people to give to. Why create new ones? For selfish reasons ultimately. 
 

It's about parent's feelings, not some selfless act. If it was really selfless, we'd adopt kids. But people want to leave a legacy in the world.

Edited August 26 by meta_male

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, meta_male said:

Yeah I get that, but there's billions of people to give to. Why create new ones? For selfish reasons ultimately. 
 

It's about parent's feelings, not some selfless act. If it was really selfless, we'd adopt kids. But people want to leave a legacy in the world.

Yea and it’s ok I don’t give a damn about little poor africans children lol just like I don’t care about eating animals.

[BlessedLion]

14 hours ago, AION said:

Relationship is sacrifice too. It is not only about how much can I get for myself. If everybody thought like that there wouldn’t be relationships and kids. 

Haha -okay then that’s what I don’t want  

How do I mute somebody again? 

[BlessedLion]

10 hours ago, AION said:

Meanly 🫣

 

Kids don’t make sense for selfish people. It is purely sacrifice which selfish people don’t want to do thus the population decline you dummy.  

So by your logic everyone who has kids in unselfish and people who don’t have kids are selfish? 
Genius….

Most people have kids for selfish reasons 

[AION]

7 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

So by your logic everyone who has kids in unselfish and people who don’t have kids are selfish? 
Genius….

Most people have kids for selfish reasons 

I wish it was the case that everybody who rubbed their genitals would be good parents. Having children for selfish reasons is a recipe for ruining the life of your kids. 
 

 

10 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Haha -okay then that’s what I don’t want  

How do I mute somebody again? 

Like this: 🖕🏾 

[Elliott]

13 hours ago, AION said:

I wish it was the case that everybody who rubbed their genitals would be good parents. Having children for selfish reasons is a recipe for ruining the life of your kids. 
 

 

Like this: 🖕🏾 

Wanting to have a child that you want to raise to be happy, is selfish. Because they may not turn out happy, you're gambling with them, something bad may happen to them or you and they wind up living a miserable life, effectively making you a selfish villain responsible for your child going through torment, just so you could have a child, like it's a house plant.

I myself want to have kids. It's selfish, even though I want to be a supportive, loving, providing parent.

Edited August 27 by Elliott

[theleelajoker]

18 hours ago, AION said:

Define self 

Two levels:

1. It's the biological structure that breaths, walks, talks. The organism I can touch, communicate with and get pregnant 
2. It. Consciousness, God, Allah, whatever, the "thing", the "aliveness" inhabiting the biological structure

They work together to become one functional "it". 

Edited August 27 by theleelajoker

[theleelajoker]

17 hours ago, meta_male said:

Exactly. Living like that makes you look like a clown in the long run. I do think you gotta be on the psychopath spectrum to do it consciously. I did manipulate women in my 20s too, then had to unlearn that stuff for years. Just isn't worth the brain rot it leaves behind. Pickup maybe helps virgins push through, but if you stay in it you identify with someone who's stuck in never-enough-sex mode.

 

Yeah I think nobody wants to be like that in the first place, it's a survival adaptation.  And unless you face massive costs to this behavior, you don't change. It's not only sex but a general disconnected lifestyle IME. 

My POV: As long as our society programs us to believe that the apparent benefits of this behavior - material success, lots of arbitrary sex, status, admiration by others for appearance - are high priority, chances for change are slim. Why change myself when I constantly get what I think I should want? 

Plus, in order to feel the costs of this pattern, one must go inside and feel oneself, connect to oneself, be empathetic, feel the body. But that's exactly what those people are having a hard time to do. So it's a vicious circle IME. I had long talks with the guys I describe (they are not black and white and have good traits, too). Sometimes there's a little opening but they are so scared of feelings their emotions that it's always one step forward, two steps backwards. I can always sense the moment of shut-down, and then it's back to psychopath mode  

Unlearning stuff, and brain rot are good expressions IMO. And the older you get, the harder it gets to change that. Only thing I can think of with the guys now is radical experiences. Any combination of psychedelics, leaving current job and social circle, traveling, therapy.  I am talking about change because they don't seem happy in general but more living on autopilot. 

But who knows, maybe I a getting this all wrong? Maybe this how life, consciousness wants to be? Maybe life likes to be manipulated, used and abused and it's all part of the game? Maybe it's not a bug, but a feature? So there is nothing wrong with being a psychopath, they are just playing their role as they are supposed to. 

If someone is confused about this POV, I recommend Stantislav Grov's Book "The Cosmic Game: Explorations of the Frontiers of Human Consciousness". Basic idea is that if all is one, then victim and perpetrator are the same. Only question is then if cruelty and violence is on purpose or it's something that can and should be transcended.