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Is Seeing an Escort an Ethical Choice? Let's Talk Honestly

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3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You've not understood totally what 'transactional' is. Go contemplate on it. It's all transactional for the person. Adult work is just using money, what you're talking about is a personality type transaction and how that transaction makes you feel and how it's working out for you because she's kind hearted and you called it valuable. You're using words without realizing those words are transactional related as in 'valuable'. It's valuable to you because you're looking for something in return. It's very subtle. Biggest form of self-deception. One trades sexual favors which is valuable and uses money in the exchange which in turn provided a feeling for the one paying that's the transactional part, both got a feeling from it; just swap the fact that you will still love her because she showed kind heartedness a VALUABLE trait, valuable because it's transactional. We are paying for feelings in life whether it's with our money or with our loyalty. It's still a transaction. 

 

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You've just put conditions on true love. That's transactional, once you don't need anything. Why? Why not if you still need something. Because you have put stipulations on it. Be this way or else it can't be that way. Why can't a person truly love a needy person. How is truly loving a partner without need. You're fooling yourself here. One cannot truly love a person without need or wants. There has to be some form of subject/object relationship and just the fact of seeing someone there to love is already a need and a want. What you're saying sounds all good and fantastical but dissect it down to the very core it's still a transaction. Transaction being made using a different currency. 

Got it. I will contemplate on what you said. Thanks for the responses. 


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@Princess Arabia  Do residual energies from interacting with so many people not have any negative effects on you ? 

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11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Common good is relative. That CEO might be able to do his work better now that he's had some release or relief with an escort that his wife wasn't providing

When will not having access to an escort significantly reduce your productivity lol

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

and if it's the Ceo of a product you purchase and use that's of value to you, then yes it was for the common good.

No I'll go to the competitor I'll find a CEO who isn't stupid enough to destroy his business because he can't have sex every day.

Also, I'm a communist, so in my system, if a boss isn't happy or isn't doing their job, they're replaced.
All bosses and managers are easily replaced with a few years of training at most, except in certain very specific sectors.

I should point out that I'm not even against escorting, and I specified in one of my posts that I'm not against brothels.

It was a dialectic to show that a liberal system led to bizarre results when it came to the distribution of wealth.

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Your mind is very limited here and you have no idea why people may use escorts who uses escorts and the value it has on society in many different ways that your limited mind can't even begin to understand.

No, even if escorting and even pornography were banned tomorrow, there wouldn't be any decrease in productivity or even an increase in the risk of rape or whatever; that's just whining.
There might even be more productivity because ejaculating too often weakens men.

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Everything you've said here is pretty much describing escort work as a man cumming and ejaculating  in some pussy and how it's easy to do when in fact, it's usually the least common reason why men sees escorts.

Remember that your clients aren't the same as the clients of an 18-year-old blonde.
Your clients aren't coming to you for the same reasons.
I've met plenty of people who went to escorts, and it was mainly because they were single, or indeed in a relationship but perverted.

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

The ejaculation and cumming part is usually the bonus and the dessert. Some don't even care if they cum at all. The reason why this field is so diverse in what goes on is because it's clients are from all walks of life and in every category imaginable. Cut the crap about it's horny men looking to ejaculate. HORNY MEN LOOKING TO EJACULATE GO DO PICK-UP. In my years of doing this work, I think i've seen one single guy, exaggeration, of course, but it's so few I can't even remember any. 

No it's a very small minority of men who go out and pick up.
I've never seen any man who pick up or met any girl who's been picked up, it almosts doesn't exists.

If you're really horny, it's much easier to pay.
Unless you're poor, but if you're poor, you don't pick up, you go look for a job.

 


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@Princess Arabia In doubt mea culpa if i seem aggresive i've been sleeping like 4 hours a night for over a week now; i feel it's affecting my vibe.


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I agree on the transactional that @Princess Arabia mentions. It's always an exchange of SOMETHING.

Can be something material, with money being the most flexible & smooth good to trade. Could be a buying a dinner, or preparing dinner for someone, then we move towards providing a service. Can be emotional, for instance, this person makes me feel good, makes me accept myself more. Or simply attention given, understanding, listening.

On a different level, it can be an energy exchange, where we don't really know what's being exchanged or how we just feel a certain way.

And it's kind of contradictory, we do create all feelings in ourselves but still we kind of need others, external stimulus in this reality. Hugging myself is not the same as cuddling with a woman. And the smell, touch or taste of a woman is something that I did not find a substitute for. Damn those pheromones :D

Regarding ethics, I think it's much more about HOW EXACTLY you do it vs. WHAT. So I believe there can be win-win situations, but I also believe it can become a mental/ material prison depending on the background of the persons involved.

I also think escorts can in some way be a little bit like a therapist, just spending time and giving attention. 

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5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

No it's a very small minority of men who go out and pick up.
I've never seen any man who pick up or met any girl who's been picked up, it almosts doesn't exists.

After this comment, not sure if I can ever have a serious conversation with you again unless your version of pick-up is by literally picking up. That's all these guys on here talk about pretty much.

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5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

When will not having access to an escort significantly reduce your productivity lol

You flipped the script and spoke in the negative. Being productive after seeing an escort isn't equivalent to not being productive if one doesn't see one. Total negation of the point I made. Do you know how many times i've been thanked just by giving a release. These aren't street men, these are usually professionals or just regular blue collar. You just don't know the value this work can provide other than just ejaculating and cumming. I even saw on here where you've said you're angry you don't have a gf. There are men paying dollars to have a GFE (girlfriend experience). You're in your very early 20's still a virgin in this type of game; maybe listen and learn.


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10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

After this comment, not sure if I can ever have a serious conversation with you again unless your version of pick-up is by literally picking up. That's all these guys on here talk about pretty much.

I have seen and heard it a lot. Lots of friends/ acquaintances are involved in this, so literal pick up with coaches, podcast, books. 

And going beyond literal pick up, almost everyone likes to get laid right?

Could be reflection of me, since it's all within my awareness, but women and how to get laid is huge topic across almost every man I know. And online, and in media, and in movies, etc etc

Can't say with say certainly about women, but men SEEM to be almost equally important for them, as far as I get this information from females friends and my gfs or sister. Likely different intentions, different content, but still about men.

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1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

Can't say with say certainly about women, but men SEEM to be almost equally important for them. Likely different intentions, different content, but still about men.

Women don't need advice on how to get laid. Mostly it's about attracting the type of man you want (usually high-value), how to keep a man interested, how to get a man to provide, etc,etc things like that, everything under the sun for women pertaining men except for how to get laid.


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2 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

And it's kind of contradictory, we do create all feelings in ourselves but still we kind of need others, external stimulus in this reality. Hugging myself is not the same as cuddling with a woman

Yes, interesting observation and also quite relevant in realizing/understanding how energy works. It needs to create the illusion of other for it's expression. Like you said, hugging yourself isn't the same as hugging someone else. It's not a bug, it's a feature.


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19 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

After this comment, not sure if I can ever have a serious conversation with you again unless your version of pick-up is by literally picking up.

I didn't understand.

By pick up i mean go to flirt with girls on the street or in clubs.

19 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's all these guys on here talk about pretty much.

What does what people actually do in real life, statistically, have to do with the threads guys make here

Are there only people who pick up here, and does it only work btw

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You flipped the script and spoke in the negative. Being productive after seeing an escort isn't equivalent to not being productive if one doesn't see one. Total negation of the point I made. Do you know how many times i've been thanked just by giving a release.

Yes, men with brains full of dopamine thank you after your performance.
Does that mean prostitution is a good thing on a large scale

I can say "oh yeah" after smoking crack, is smoking crack good for the community or me in the long run.

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

These aren't street men, these are usually professionals or just regular blue collar. You just don't know the value this work can provide other than just ejaculating and cumming.

Will they get depressed if they don't have access to this

It's not a need like drinking or eating, in fact as a man you have an interest in not ejaculating

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I even saw on here where you've said you're angry you don't have a gf.

Yes and I didn't commit suicide, or get into drugs, or become a human wreck even though I suffered from insomnia.

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There are men paying dollars to have a GFE (girlfriend experience).

Honestly for me it's hopeless and pathetic because it prevents you from becoming stronger but whatever.

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You're in your very early 20's still a virgin in this type of game; maybe listen and learn.

Does that negate what I said
On the contrary, yes, precisely as I said above, I'm fine even though I'm a virgin and I've drained my vital energy with a lot of sleep deprivation, stress, steroids (for a few months), and medication.
I'm living proof that these are essentially whims.

What isn't a whim, however, is not having to eat; it just so happens that I mentioned escorts by chance, but I'm much less interested in them than in many other professions.
I repeat myself.


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You have a 21yr old virgin in this thread telling a over 10yr veteran escort about escort work. How delusional is that. Hehe @Schizophonia


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1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Does that mean prostitution is a good thing on a large scale

I never said it was a good thing. I said valuable. A drug addict can get massive value from doing drugs, doesn't mean it was a good thing. You keep equating valuable with good or bad. Look into that because it doesn't mean that. 


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3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Honestly for me it's hopeless and pathetic because it prevents you from becoming stronger but whatever.

Do you realize not everyone has the same agenda. A man could have had ten real-life girlfriends and would love the feeling that comes with that but without the heartache and troubles of having a real girlfriend, so he hires one for a day. That's valuable to a man like that. It's only hopeless and pathetic to you because of how you see it and it's not for you. 


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39 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Women don't need advice on how to get laid. Mostly it's about attracting the type of man you want (usually high-value), how to keep a man interested, how to get a man to provide, etc,etc things like that, everything under the sun for women pertaining men except for how to get laid.

Yeah funny would love to hear what women think and say in these discussions 😂

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3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Yeah funny would love to hear what women think and say in these discussions 😂

Mostly about not being too available and accommodating, having your own life and hobbies, don't chase, showing gratitude to the ones treating well, respecting yourself to have boundaries, it all depends on the kind of audience. There's pickmeisha audience females who cater to men and say pick me, pick me, and you have women who know their value and level up to attract the men they want, either way it's all a game and one just has to know how to play it. 


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12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Do you realize not everyone has the same agenda. A man could have had ten real-life girlfriends and would love the feeling that comes with that but without the heartache and troubles of having a real girlfriend, so he hires one for a day. That's valuable to a man like that. It's only hopeless and pathetic to you

No one works like that except for a very small majority of men who are a bit sociopathic or aspie and who have a lot of money.

And no man has ten girlfriends in his life except an absolute chad.

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

because of how you see it and it's not for you. 

Yes that's what i said.

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I never said it was a good thing. I said valuable. A drug addict can get massive value from doing drugs, doesn't mean it was a good thing. You keep equating valuable with good or bad. Look into that because it doesn't mean that. 

Value for the community or even the "higher self" on an individual level, if you will.

24 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have a 21yr old virgin in this thread telling a over 10yr veteran escort about escort work. How delusional is that. Hehe @Schizophonia

All I said was that everyone I've seen going to escorts has been alone, and you're probably biased by your clientele.

Or I'm screwed because I'm French and ugly and fat girls are a minority, so French men have much less need to go to escorts, ahah.

Half joking.


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2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

so French men have much less need to go to escorts,

It's not about a need. Do you need to eat croissants, but you do anyway. Jesus, give the industry a break, lots of people engage in paid activities they do not need to do. It's just something to do for some just like going to the movies or watching a movie or going to the beach. All these moral questions and talks about morality and need is just simply a projection and how one feels about the industry not what the industry is actually like.


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14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Mostly about not being too available and accommodating, having your own life and hobbies, don't chase, showing gratitude to the ones treating well, respecting yourself to have boundaries, it all depends on the kind of audience. There's pickmeisha audience females who cater to men and say pick me, pick me, and you have women who know their value and level up to attract the men they want, either way it's all a game and one just has to know how to play it. 

Thanks for this little view into female thinking. Seems valuable in some aspects - boundaries, independent - but others stuff seems harmful for me (depending heavily in context of course).

Don't chase? Why not I think it's shows great maturity if a women do actively express what she wants instead of acting like a teenager girl. Of course, chasing in desperate context is not good. 

And not being too available - this is one of the greatest mindfucks I have seen with women. She's lying next to me, I can see she likes me, she even says so, I feel she loves spending time with me, I can read her body language, she wants be hold and cuddled....and then I can see her eyes narrowing. Her forehead becomes tense. Her breath changes. And then something like "I need to go, I have an appointment, I need distance etc etc" is happening 😂 I can literally see the wheely turning in her head, I can feel she's taken out of the moment, I can observe how - consciously or subconsciously - a concept, a strategy is a remembered and implemented.

Huge turnoff for me. It's the equivalent to pick up bullshit on the females site and a disqualifier for long term relationship. 

We are having a good time? You feel good? I feel good? There's no reason you need to leave except your mind telling you to not be "too available?" (In other cases, it's likely fear of intimacy). Ok stay and  let's enjoy the time together.  Nothing lasts forever. There will be enough separation because of friends, works, hobbies etc. We feel good in this moment, let's have a good time now :)

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's not about a need. Do you need to eat croissants, but you do anyway. Jesus, give the industry a break, lots of people engage in paid activities they do not need to do. It's just something to do for some just like going to the movies or watching a movie or going to the beach. All these moral questions and talks about morality and need is just simply a projection and how one feels about the industry not what the industry is actually like.

I have no problem with escorts.

I respond to the idea that the price of their service was proof that they are essential compared to other professions.


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