Anti human spirituality

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, for me emotional healing is a vital element of the spiritual path, not something separate from it. Many people have big awakenings, but their lives still suck, precisely because there's still loads of emotional healing to be done.

Yeah, thats a essential part in the spiritual path. Using spirituality to escape your emotional reality is a total mistake; it's narcissism. It's very common because sometimes our emotional reality seems like a maze with no way out. So, spirituality is used to create a parallel self and all that, and that leads to dead ends.

The true path requires total acceptance of your psychological reality, deep understanding before any transcendence

[SOUL]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Searching the way to open yourself to the absolute truth is not lack, it's what spirituality is about.

That's what your spirituality is about. You didn't answer the question, do I have 'incorrect spirituality' if I don't care about 'absolute truth' like you do?

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not subjective, but entirely objective.

Spirituality is not subjective and is entirely objective? Interesting concept....a very subjective concept, but interesting.

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, thats a essential part in the spiritual path. Using spirituality to escape your emotional reality is a total mistake; it's narcissism. It's very common because sometimes our emotional reality seems like a maze with no way out. So, spirituality is used to create a parallel self and all that, and that leads to dead ends.

The true path requires total acceptance of your psychological reality, deep understanding before any transcendence

Exactly, and gaining a deeper awareness of precisely why we do the things we do, coupled with becoming good at feeling sensations in the body, is basically the key to emotional healing.

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, SOUL said:

That's what your spirituality is about. You didn't answer the question, do I have 'incorrect spirituality' if I don't care about 'absolute truth' like you do?

Ultimately,  real spirituality is the openess to your absolute nature, then if your spirituality is not about to open yourself to your absolute nature, it's not spirituality, it could be religion, self help or psychology. 

 

36 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Spirituality is not subjective and is entirely objective? Interesting concept....a very subjective concept, but interesting.

Subjective according to you, but it's absolutely objetive

[SOUL]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Ultimately,  real spirituality is the openess to your absolute nature, then if your spirituality is not about to open yourself to your absolute nature, it's not spirituality, it could be religion, self help or psychology. 

You talk about openness but are closed to that other's spirituality may be different from yours. Pretty judgy way to view it, seems dogmatic.

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Subjective according to you, but it's absolutely objetive

Sure buddy.

[Breakingthewall]

36 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Exactly, and gaining a deeper awareness of precisely why we do the things we do, coupled with becoming good at feeling sensations in the body, is basically the key to emotional healing.

It's a really big and deep work, as any human evolution. Clear intuition is needed, and the problem imo is that when you get in this path and you start searching and reading, you don't know nothing and what is written is not precise, it's a mess. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

46 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Sure buddy.

That means that you don't agree? Then instead being ironic, what if you say anything structured and precise? 

 

46 minutes ago, SOUL said:

You talk about openness but are closed to that other's spirituality may be different from yours. Pretty judgy way to view it, seems dogmatic.

No, it's like saying that I'm closed to electroshock to cure homosexuality. It's not closure, it's the clear perception that it's a wrong path. 

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[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

How do you know? I have done a lot of things. I'm now involved in intense things. 

If you say so.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes because I'm interested in spirituality. I'm sorry if for you it's not right 

No it's right, i'm into spirituality too.

But i know my vision about spirituality is a projection.

There is another possible point of view where spirituality is essentially pro human.

About manifesting stuffs, improving life on earth on general via some values, going to paradise...

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok but all that It is unimportant in this context, which is a thread about spirituality, specifically about the inherent duality of nonduality.

Yes but you project affects on spirituality, I've been raving about these.

My examples were to say that I don't have so much problem delving into and exposing my unconscious, and therefore what influences my view of conscious things including spirituality.

Nevermind.

 

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's a really big and deep work, as any human evolution. Clear intuition is needed, and the problem imo is that when you get in this path and you start searching and reading, you don't know nothing and what is written is not precise, it's a mess. 

 

Yeah, as far as emotional healing goes, I've been searching long and hard, and I really can't recommend Joe Hudson's channel highly enough. Every video is just pure gold. Some of his coaching clients include people like Sam Altman. Here's his latest video.

 

[SOUL]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's like saying that I'm closed to electroshock to cure homosexuality. It's not closure, it's the clear perception that it's a wrong path. 

So you compare someone who doesn't share your views of spirituality to electroshock therapy? That is some profound zealotry.

 

[Breakingthewall]

55 minutes ago, SOUL said:

So you compare someone who doesn't share your views of spirituality to electroshock therapy? That is some profound zealotry.

 

No, I see that it's difficult to have a conversation with you. I put an example , lets see if you understand: 

I compare something that was previously accepted with something that isn't now. In psychology, it used to be accepted that homosexuality needed to be cured. Even now, some psychologists still think this way. But it's fully accepted that psychologists should help human beings to understand and accept themselves, not modify themselves to fit a standard. Do you understand? It's a paradigm shift. So, I think that true spirituality is the human path of opening to the absolute. Another thing is an incomplete or limited approach, and therefore mistaken. The goal of spirituality is that, then any idea that point in that direction is correct. But there are many ideas that point in the opposite direction, because many spiritual masters don't understand what they are doing. Then they are wrong. 

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, as far as emotional healing goes, I've been searching long and hard, and I really can't recommend Joe Hudson's channel highly enough. Every video is just pure gold. Some of his coaching clients include people like Sam Altman. Here's his latest video.

 

I watched half and it's very interesting. 

Relative to the thread's topic, it could be said that spirituality tells you that your emotions are something you are creating and that if they cause you unhappiness then you should simply stop creating them, since they are illusory, ego. Just be and let the negative fall, but this is deeply toxic because it is creating a duality between right and wrong emotions and also implying that you are creating them and you are suffering because you want to. The reality is that the energetic structure that you are vibrates in a certain way due to its alignment with its environment, and denying this by saying that there is no self or that you and the environment are one is a closure, and therefore it is a wrong perspective. Not wrong for me, but absolutely wrong, toxic and pointing in the opposite direction of openness, denying the ego as "false" when the ego is a manifestation of reality absolutely real as anything else

 

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[SOUL]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, I see that it's difficult to have a conversation with you.

All I did was ask if it was 'incorrect spirituality' if it's not all about 'absolute truth' like it is with you and you went to electroshock therapy without answering the simple question asked.  Who has the difficulty? Seriously, like what is going on in your head.

[Breakingthewall]

47 minutes ago, SOUL said:

All I did was ask if it was 'incorrect spirituality' if it's not all about 'absolute truth' like it is with you and you went to electroshock therapy without answering the simple question asked.  Who has the difficulty? Seriously, like what is going on in your head.

 

 I will answer again, let's see , the simplest possible: if spirituality doesn't aim to the openess to your absolute nature, it's wrong spirituality . I said the same before but with examples. I'm sorry if you don't like.

if you got it, if you don't agree, just tell why

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[Wilhelm44]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I watched half and it's very interesting. 

Relative to the thread's topic, it could be said that spirituality tells you that your emotions are something you are creating and that if they cause you unhappiness then you should simply stop creating them, since they are illusory, ego. Just be and let the negative fall, but this is deeply toxic because it is creating a duality between right and wrong emotions and also implying that you are creating them and you are suffering because you want to. The reality is that the energetic structure that you are vibrates in a certain way due to its alignment with its environment, and denying this by saying that there is no self or that you and the environment are one is a closure, and therefore it is a wrong perspective. Not wrong for me, but absolutely wrong, toxic and pointing in the opposite direction of openness, denying the ego as "false" when the ego is a manifestation of reality absolutely real as anything else

 

Definitely, feeling is healing, and understanding the practical root cause also helps. 

[SOUL]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I will answer again, let's see , the simplest possible: if spirituality doesn't aim to the openess to your absolute nature, it's wrong spirituality 

Any question? 

Well, my spirituality cultivates well being and the cessation of self suffering in my life experience, that's 'right' enough for me. You may want to revaluate your perspective of any other one that isn't your own.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Well, my spirituality cultivates well being and the cessation of self suffering in my life experience, that's 'right' enough for me. You may want to revaluate your perspective of any other one that isn't your own.

And how can spirituality point toward well-being? I mean, spirituality by definition is the opening to what is, so how would you know that this is the cessation of suffering?

What seeks well being would be self help or psychology, it's not wrong, but it's different matter . I don't say that spirituality doesn't lead to well being, but that you can't know it until you open yourself to the absolute.

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[SOUL]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And how can spirituality point toward well-being? I mean, spirituality by definition is the opening to what is, so how would you know that this is the cessation of suffering?

What seeks well being would be self help or psychology, it's not wrong, but it's different matter 

Actually, my friend, your definition of spirituality isn't the commonly accepted one of 'connecting to something greater than oneself' and 'finding meaning or purpose'.

'Opening to what is' can be meaningful or that 'something greater' but not everyone seeks imaginary abstractions such as 'absolute truth' and trying to exclude everything but that from spirituality isn't openness to what is.

If you were as 'open to what is' you would be 'open to' the 'what is' of others perspective of spirituality being different from yours. It's just what is...deal with it, calling it 'wrong' is just being closed to what is.

You are not the authority on spirituality, either is Leo, not the churches, no gurus, there is none. Spirituality is as infinite as god and the universe is.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Definitely, feeling is healing, and understanding the practical root cause also helps. 

There are many people who have a broken psychological structure. For example, me. As I see it, this is caused, among other things, by weak parents. Weak parents can be narcissistic, addicted, abusive, suicidal, depressed, etc. When this is your reality, your psyche automatically covers this up in order to survive as a functioning human. This is the main objective of the psyche when it's forming. Once this structure solidifies, it constantly vibrates with an anxious vibration, since it's not aligned with reality. This is massive today. There are countless approaches to fix, improve, and ease this constant suffering, but in my experience, nothing really works. Because once your structure is broken at the core of your psyche, there is a lack. This is dangerous; it can lead to toxic relationships, addictions, and general misery, even to hellish levels.

In my experience, there is only one real solution: the complete rupture of your psychological structure and its opening to your total nature. Once opened, it progressively restructures itself, changing completely. It's not something subtle or light, but total. A progressive equalization begins, an alignment of your structural lines with the flow of reality, becoming more and more precise, which progressively decreases anxiety and opens your perspective without limits

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Actually, my friend, your definition of spirituality isn't the commonly accepted one of 'connecting to something greater than oneself' and 'finding meaning or purpose'.

'Opening to what is' can be meaningful or that 'something greater' but not everyone seeks imaginary abstractions such as 'absolute truth' and trying to exclude everything but that from spirituality isn't openness to what is.

If you were as 'open to what is' you would be 'open to' the 'what is' of others perspective of spirituality being different from yours. It's just what is...deal with it, calling it 'wrong' is just being closed to what is.

You are not the authority on spirituality, either is Leo, not the churches, no gurus, there is none. Spirituality is as infinite as god and the universe is.

 

 

It's not an abstraction, I assume you clearly perceive that you exist. And I assume you perceive that your perceived reality is created by mental processes and perceptions, relational structures that occur, creating a, let's say, interface that interacts with an external reality through perceptions and mental and emotional processes.

If you're interested in spirituality, as is the case, you've come to the inevitable conclusion that both your inner and outer reality, and the connection between the two, are " the reality." What is this reality? What is its nature? What prevents you from perceiving it? Is it possible to perceive it? What does "perceiving" mean? Perceiving implies duality; it implies that you perceive reality. So, what are you? What do you perceive? It's easy to realize that "perceiving" is only the way in which reality is manifesting, and you are that reality. Erase all dualities, and only total openness remains. You don't perceive it, you are it. You are the absence of limits; the barriers have been broken. 

Then a complete shift occurs. You stop perceiving reality as conflicting limits, definitions, and timelines, and you perceive it as flow. You perceive yourself as unlimited flow, and the nature of this flow is precisely limitlessness, absolute openness. This absolute openness is the end of lack, and it's also the structural shift in how your psyche functions. It stops functioning as a self-referential structure operating within a limited framework and begins to function as an open flow without barriers. Then your entire reality is profoundly reconfigured.

This is the objective of real spirituality.