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Anti human spirituality

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47 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well, you are arguing to be right. Your version of right. Let's not get delusional about how much ego IS involved for you. This whole endeavor is a great example of attachment to the self.

Where is the difference with your selfless text? 

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What's the point of this thread again?

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34 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What's the point of this thread again?

 if you have any doubt, just ask. Try to read first carefully and do your best to understand. 

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9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Where is the difference with your selfless text? 

The difference is (and my text is full of self!) - I acknowledge ego is involved

@UnbornTao

 

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Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

 if you have any doubt, just ask. Try to read first carefully and do your best to understand. 

Could you clarify it in a short paragraph or two?

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18 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Could you clarify it in a short paragraph or two?

No, if you want to understand the subject you must be able to read longer texts. I explained carefully before, if you have any doubt just ask 

If you disagree of my view, maybe you are right and I'm wrong, but give any solid argument, not just emotional thing 

I think that the topic is interesting, if for you it isn't just ignore it 

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11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you believe the idea that the self is an illusion, you are closed in a static idea of consciousness as a screen where the reality happens: duality 

@UnbornTao try starting there - that's the most concise answer I could get 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall Trying to make some use of this mess. 

Current spirituality assumes that the self is a thought, and therefore an illusion. So you can abandon that illusion by abandoning that thought, that false identification with your body, your social group, or whatever. This is false; the self has a genetic energetic basis that is impossible to ignore and that is given by millions of years of evolution and that is activated by social relationships, threats, etc 

The emotional barriers of fear of rejection, death and physical harm, or the desire to reproduce are not illusory thoughts, they are energetic realities. They can be overcome in the sense of seeing trough them, and the self can open itself to the absolute. But if they are assumed to be illusions, you are trapped without possibility of exit. 

The self will be always the case being a human, but an aligned self can open itself to the unlimited. It's an evolutionary step that is possible, but not "dropping" the self, because this is just impossible 

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21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao try starting there - that's the most concise answer I could get 

Thank you!

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If you believe the idea that the self is an illusion, you are closed in a static idea of consciousness as a screen where the reality happens: duality

What's believed is irrelevant - and gets in the way. Whatever is true can't be reduced to an idea. Ideas are great tools when used appropriately, but when it comes to tackling the nature of things, they can't do the job. The rest is just babbling. Revisit what belief actually is. You don't know what the self, consciousness, or reality are, so why not start by recognizing that - not intellectually, but as a reality? This applies to all of us, most likely. There's a lot of stuff we have yet to become conscious of.

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@UnbornTao I took some time to explain the point, if you have no interest about the point, then why did you ask me to resume? Just read and see what is wrong 

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4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Ideas are great tools when used appropriately

That is what I'm doing. 

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@Breakingthewall It seems to me you fundamentally misunderstand the basic theory and are confusing things. Beyond the theory and hearsay, however, what is the self? 

Something to… drumroll... contemplate!

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5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall It seems to me you fundamentally misunderstand the basic theory and are confusing things. Beyond the theory and hearsay, however, what is the self? 

Something to… drumroll... contemplate!

Oops: 

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Why you don't say where I'm wrong? stop trying to appear cool and talk about what is wrong in my explanation. It's boring talking in this level, but it's what it is, so let's try to make it higher 

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@Breakingthewall You figure it out. I already explained it to you somewhere else. You keep operating from the same arrogance and want me to validate your assumptions by engaging in these kinds of exchanges. Consider what listening as a principle demands of you. 

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@UnbornTao 'Buildingthewall'

The worldview is built with cracks in the foundation, resulting in building movement above & wall joins cracking, causing leaks in the bathroom. There is a returning again and again to fix, patch, paint and plaster and reinstall waterproof membrane. Only to have the building shift from below once again, and crack the walls of the bathroom. The leak presents itself again and again - Ad infinitum 

The misdiagnosis.

My understanding 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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13 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao 'Buildingthewall'

The worldview is built with cracks in the foundation, resulting in building movement above & wall joins cracking, causing leaks in the bathroom. There is a returning again and again to fix, patch, paint and plaster and reinstall waterproof membrane. Only to have the building shift from below once again, and crack the walls of the bathroom. The leak presents itself again and again - Ad infinitum 

The misdiagnosis.

My understanding 

Yes, poignant metaphor. And a worldview isn't true - or the truth - by itself either. It is invented. It is by definition a way of seeing the world. 

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7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao 'Buildingthewall'

The worldview is built with cracks in the foundation, resulting in building movement above & wall joins cracking, causing leaks in the bathroom. There is a returning again and again to fix, patch, paint and plaster and reinstall waterproof membrane. Only to have the building shift from below once again, and crack the walls of the bathroom. The leak presents itself again and again - Ad infinitum 

The misdiagnosis.

My understanding 

Again, zero content, zero going into the arguments that I presented. 

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6 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Yes, poignant metaphor. And a worldview isn't true - or the truth - by itself either. It is invented. 

 I've presented a critique of spirituality that considers the self to be an illusory thought and explained how it blocks the search for and achievement of openness. If you read it, perhaps you can talk about it. If you're simply against any conceptual explanation because reality isn't conceptual, then you should retreat to silent meditation.

If you don't like my explanation because it's "arrogant", well, I'm sorry that it's not aligned with your feelings and emotional stuff, but maybe the content should be more important than your emotions

 

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