Anti human spirituality

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall

All of that is irrelevant. Do the work. You think you can trivialize contemplation or genuine understanding - as if it were just about picking the right answer on a test, knowing what to say, or mimicking similar-sounding language. But that's not what becoming conscious is about.

Start by inquiring into true listening and openness. And do some serious work on assumptions. Then, learn to increasingly distinguish concept from experience. All of this is foundational to our work here. And these dynamics are not something you eventually outgrow, but principles to which you must remain constantly sensitive. Depth is also a factor.

I'm out.

Edited Sunday at 05:55 PM by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall

All of that is irrelevant. Do the work. You think you can trivialize contemplation or genuine understanding - as if it were just about picking the right answer on a test, knowing what to say, or mimicking similar-sounding language. But that's not what becoming conscious is about.

Start by inquiring into true listening and openness. And do some serious work on assumptions. Then, learn to increasingly distinguish concept from experience. All of this is foundational to our work here. And these dynamics are not something you eventually outgrow, but principles to which you must remain constantly sensitive. Depth is also a factor.

I'm out.

You are so funny. Well, shame that you can't talk about a complex topic, maybe anyone else could, that's why I posted it

Edited Sunday at 11:51 AM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

15 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao 'Buildingthewall'

The worldview is built with cracks in the foundation, resulting in building movement above & wall joins cracking, causing leaks in the bathroom. There is a returning again and again to fix, patch, paint and plaster and reinstall waterproof membrane. Only to have the building shift from below once again, and crack the walls of the bathroom. The leak presents itself again and again - Ad infinitum 

The misdiagnosis.

My understanding 

You might ask yourself why your messages aim to belittle, humiliate, ridicule, laugh at, join your fellow mod in ridiculing together, but under no circumstances make the slightest allusion to the content of my posts and refute them. It seems you feel your mental framework is threatened and you defend yourself with these strategies. It doesn't affect me; it just bores me a little but in other hand it's interesting. Anyway, you could look at it and try to understand your attitude. Where is it pointing? What are you afraid of? 

Id say that the content I post is quite good quality. Do you think that the attitude of mocking and trying to humiliate is , let's say, justified? For what reason? In my opinion it's obvious: defense. If you are defending your ideas on that way , seems that they are essential to your psychological structure. Then that of no self is more self. 

That's the thread is about, thanks for illustrating it so good

Edited Sunday at 05:18 PM by Breakingthewall

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall Go back to contemplating what the self is.

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall Go back to contemplating what the self is.

Do you believe that you are a kind of teacher, giving orders so strict and bossy because you are mod? You are the funniest ever 😂😭

Please, respect yourself. And try to say something about the topic, then maybe I admit that I'm wrong 

Edited Sunday at 04:52 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall

All of that is irrelevant. Do the work. You think you can trivialize contemplation or genuine understanding - as if it were just about picking the right answer on a test, knowing what to say, or mimicking similar-sounding language. But that's not what becoming conscious is about.

Start by inquiring into true listening and openness. And do some serious work on assumptions. Then, learn to increasingly distinguish concept from experience. All of this is foundational to our work here. And these dynamics are not something you eventually outgrow, but principles to which you must remain constantly sensitive. Depth is also a factor.

I'm out.

Excellent advice.

 

“ I can do nothing for you but work on myself. You can do nothing for me except work on yourself “ 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Excellent advice.

 

“ I can do nothing for you but work on myself. You can do nothing for me except work on yourself “ 

Then you also are against that someone question some principles about spirituality? Why? 

Why nobody in this thread say a single word about the topic? Maybe it's offensive because it's against some beliefs deeply admitted?

Look, that guy is insulting me again and again. For me it's not like offensive, but I don't know why you agree. I'm trying to do a high quality thread 

Edited Sunday at 04:54 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you also are against that someone question some principles about spirituality? Why? 

Why nobody in this thread say a single word about the topic? 

 

I have no argument with myself. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

I have no argument with myself. 

Then why you post? To appear cool because the mod is insulting me, then you are with him to be cool? This forum is amazing 😂 it's crazy level

Edited Sunday at 04:56 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then why you post? To appear cool because the mod is insulting me, then you are with him to be cool? This forum is amazing 😂 it's crazy level

I’m posting because I enjoy participating on the Leo Gura forum. It’s a form of entertainment.

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’m posting because I enjoy participating on the Leo Gura forum. It’s a form of entertainment.

Entertainment or maybe serious work, depending of the person 

Edited Sunday at 05:32 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall Go back to contemplating what the self is.

Anyway, Just for your information. I meditate for several hours each day, prioritize spirituality as my life's calling, write a lot about this in addition to this forum, and research Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, shamanic traditions, and commonalities with traditional religions every day. I take psychedelics quite often. My life is a constant contemplation of the nature of myself. If I write a thread here, I review it many times, and I give the utmost of my intelligence, whatever that may be, to it.

So, your insulting attitude, ridiculing without even having read what I've written and without saying absolutely nothing about what I've stated except the intention to ridicule, makes me find it shameful that you are a moderator of a spiritual forum. 

Edited Sunday at 05:27 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes sure, but I asking about insulting. 

Look, I've raised a conversation about the self, about its energetic reality that goes beyond the purely mental. Then, two mods, trying to refute it, tell me I'm a fool, an idiot who copies spiritual terms, that my answers are too long, etc., but not a single allusion to the topic. It makes them very angry. I would like to talk about that topic, but it seems that's not possible. So, I ask you why you agree with the message of the mod who tries to humiliate, and why you don't talk about the topic of the thread. Is it because they're mods, and that, for you, gives them legitimacy? Just curious

Anyway, it's done, seems impossible to talk seriously here, it's just power games and nothing interesting. Sad. 

I agree with the advice given. Which is to do the work yourself.

I’m not a mod and yet that’s my motto too. 
 

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I agree with the advice given. Which is to do the work yourself.

I’m not a mod and yet that’s my motto too. 
 

 

I'm doing the work every time and I'm sharing the work here. Why do you assume that I didn't? Which part of what I wrote shows you that? Tell me and maybe I could improve 

Anyway, forget it, it's fool arguing like that. i got triggered because really I was 2 days thinking about the topic contemplating it from all the angles, then make me frustrated the impossibility of talking about it 

Edited Sunday at 05:35 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, I ask you why you agree with the message of the mod who tries to humiliate, and why you don't talk about the topic of the thread.

I’ve only just today discovered this thread. So haven’t given it much attention yet. I don’t mind talking about the thread topic actually , but I thought I’d just do some reading here first. I responded to that one post because I agreed with the principle that was being pointed out to you that’s all. Asking questions and asking for clarification is how I roll. I personally don’t want to become doubtful or argumentative with other posters just because I don’t understand what they are talking about. That’s why I’m asking questions a lot, and then also answering questions a lot in the anticipation that a mutual understanding is reached and that can only occur by asking for clarification and not just being reactionary by misunderstanding, or misinterpreting something you’re hearing. 

[Mellowmarsh]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm doing the work every time and I'm sharing the work here. Why do you assume that I didn't? Which part of what I wrote shows you that? Tell me and maybe I could improve 

Anyway, forget it, it's fool arguing like that. i got triggered because really I was 2 days thinking about the topic contemplating it from all the angles, then make me frustrated the impossibility of talking about it 

I’m pleased to hear you are doing the work, that’s important. That’s all I was emphasising, how important it is to do the work for ourselves. 
 

I would love nothing more than to share the work here on this thread with you and others. Do you have a question for me?

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve only just today discovered this thread. So haven’t given it much attention yet. I don’t mind talking about the thread topic actually , but I thought I’d just do some reading here first. I responded to that one post because I agreed with the principle that was being pointed out to you that’s all. Asking questions and asking for clarification is how I roll. I personally don’t want to become doubtful or argumentative with other posters just because I don’t understand what they are talking about. That’s why I’m asking questions a lot, and then also answering questions a lot in the anticipation that a mutual understanding is reached and that can only occur by asking for clarification and not just being reactionary by misunderstanding, or misinterpreting something you’re hearing. 

Ok I understand and it's your right to agree with you want, just that this mod entered in my thread not to talk about the topic but to have an aggressive attitude and insult. 

The advices he gives, like, "Go contemplate the nature of the self," or whatever, is only meant to sabotage and humiliate. If you ask him what he's referring to specifically, he won't say, since he hasn't read the thread.

I try not to get triggered, because that's stupid, and that's his goal when he ntervenes. It's strange, since he never says anything about spirituality, never starts a thread, and never responds except with sarcasm and humiliating jokes. Even so, he's a moderator, so it's important not to offend him, because he can get you banned from the forum. And since I like writing here, not for entertainment but for expression, I'd prefer to continue doing so, if possible, without getting into these kinds of conversations.

Edited Sunday at 06:01 PM by Breakingthewall

[Schizophonia]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anyway, Just for your information. I meditate for several hours each day, prioritize spirituality as my life's calling, write a lot about this in addition to this forum, and research Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, shamanic traditions, and commonalities with traditional religions every day. I take psychedelics quite often. My life is a constant contemplation of the nature of myself. If I write a thread here, I review it many times, and I give the utmost of my intelligence, whatever that may be, to it.

So, your insulting attitude, ridiculing without even having read what I've written and without saying absolutely nothing about what I've stated except the intention to ridicule, makes me find it shameful that you are a moderator of a spiritual forum. 

When I pointed out that you might not have a fulfilling social life and that this was a sign that maybe you yourself were using spirituality for inhumane ends, you exploded and tried to humiliate me by saying something like "oh, you're not on my level" and something like "surree" to my second response; you just operate like that yourself hence the mirror.
This kind of below-the-belt attacks, this nagging, is an obsessive neurotic thing because the aggression is too repressed to be expressed in a normal, masculine way.
Now you say that your life revolves around a scrupulous subject like spirituality; maybe it's not neurotic and it's for pleasure; but you're mirroring "anti-human" and "aggressive" people.

 

Edited Sunday at 06:16 PM by Schizophonia

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

When I pointed out that you might not have a fulfilling social life and that this was a sign that you yourself were using spirituality for inhumane ends,

22 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

I have enough social life, the one that I have. Could be better and worse . I hope yours is wonderful 

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

you exploded and tried to humiliate me by saying something like "oh, you're not on my level"

If I expose a point I've been contemplating deeply for hours, and your response is that I write that because I don't have a social life or my life is shit. You have to understand that in some cases there may be a reactive response. It's not optimal, but sometimes it's inevitable.

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Now you say that your life revolves around a scrupulous subject like spirituality; maybe it's not neurotic and it's for pleasure; but you're mirroring "anti-human" and "aggressive" people

Sure, or maybe I'm retarded or anything, but the fact is that it's true that I feel enlightenment issue like a real vocation. I also did a lot of things. Now for example Im running a business quite risky where my future is in stake every day. 

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

This kind of below-the-belt attacks, this nagging, is an obsessive neurotic thing because the aggression is too repressed to be expressed in a normal, masculine way

Look, I try to talk about a topic. This topic is interesting to me, really interesting. I contemplate it a lot, as deep as I can, then if someone comes with nonsense about personal thing I feel frustrated. I will try don't express that frustration 

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall 

Who would have thought you'd rack up so many warning points already? You like to chat and project a lot, and you're not really willing to listen to anything beyond yourself. You can keep being stubborn as a mule, or you can listen for once.

At the very least, be intellectually interested in getting the basics of the theory right (not as a belief, by the way.)

What does agreeing or disagreeing accomplish? Nothing. The same points outlined above, and in my other replies, still apply.

The main issue here is that the truth regarding the self is clearly unknown. And yet, that fact isn't recognized for what it is! Hence the need for contemplation. Try it out - give it a real try.

Edited Sunday at 06:31 PM by UnbornTao