Posted July 30 (edited) @Leo Gura I’ve realized that these views are not presented by you as primary foundational insights which would be considered definitively true they’re probably secondary insights open for debate thanks Leo for your assistance. Edited July 30 by Mmartinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Mmartinez If you are posting this question here on this forum expect that we will give an answer to you which might be against your wish how reality should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Mmartinez The ideas that someone transmits to you may or may not help you open up to the absolute truth of reality, but they are never, in any case, the absolute truth; they are just ideas. If you want to delve deeper into this matter, you must understand that you cannot believe anyone because doing so, no matter who it may be, closes you off from the real truth. Even if Buddha appears to you surrounded by angels and demons to tell you: Martinez, the truth is that you will be reincarnated as a rat, or whatever Buddha says, you should not believe him. They are just ideas; ideas are not the truth; the truth is direct. In fact, the best thing is to forget absolutely all ideas, empty your mind, and begin to see. Leos ideas could be a help to open your perspective, but at the end only you can see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 (edited) @OBEler Leo Gura clearly said that these views are fantasies, that I’m clinging to fantasies so it’s clear that he does not present these views as primary foundational insights. You are saying one thing then Leo gura is saying another thing. Edited July 30 by Mmartinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Breakingthewall so these ideas are not primary foundational fundamental insights? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Mmartinez said: @Breakingthewall so these ideas are not primary foundational fundamental insights? Are Leo's insights, not yours. The truth, or enlightenment, whatever you want to call it, is you, it is what you are, therefore "knowing" the truth is being one with the whole. If what leo says helps you with that, great. If it closes you off because of fear or whatever reason, simply forget it. No one can tell you the truth, not Buddha, not Jesus Christ, not anyone at all. It's something that happens when you align your, let's say, energetic system; it's being one with your essential nature. Afterwards, you can talk and talk about it, but the truth opens up, it's not said. In short, don't believe anyone, me neither. It's disappointing, I know, but nobody said that the path was easy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 (edited) @Breakingthewall so your saying nobody can tell me a single thing or concept that is true. Anything I hear is not absolute truth. Those ideas must be secondary insights, for sure they’re not primary insights. Edited July 30 by Mmartinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 Just now, Mmartinez said: @Breakingthewall so your saying nobody can tell me a single thing or concept that is true. Anything I hear is not absolute truth. Could be ideas that helps you to open yourself to the truth, but not the truth. The truth is your true nature, it's not an idea. If you open up to the truth you will say: fuck! The truth! Of course....the absolute truth, what I am, what I always was, how is possible that I forgot it? It's so obvious.... wait....what? I don't remember exactly what happened....what truth? It's impossible to remember, you can't grasp it, you only can be opened to it and be one with it. And it's absolutely 100% maximum fullness, no flaws, no lack, perfect, total glory, absolute jackpot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Breakingthewall these ideas are not presented by Advaita Vedanta as primary foundational insights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 8 minutes ago, Mmartinez said: @Breakingthewall these ideas are not presented by Advaita Vedanta as primary foundational insights. I don't know, they are just my ideas. Any system of ideas is different, the point is where they lead you. No system of ideas is the truth, they are possible keys to lead you to the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Mmartinez said: @OBEler Leo Gura just said I am clinging to fantasies which he meant these views are fantasies. That just shows you he’s not treating these views as primary foundational insights. So stop messing with me . Everything you currently perceive in the so-called "real" world is ultimately not real. The ideas you form about reality are mistaken, because they arise within the illusion (within Maya). Even if someone like Leo has directly realized the truth, the moment he tries to express that realization, it becomes just another concept, another idea within the illusion. In truth, nothing that can be thought or spoken is ultimately real. Not even your most profound ideas. Consciousness, or Brahman... is the only reality. In order to experience multiplicity (the appearance of being many), Consciousness manifests matter, what seems to be "not-itself." But even that apparent "other" is still Consciousness. There is nothing outside of It. The One appears as the many, yet remains unchanged. The totality (Brahman) includes both what appears to be, and what appears not to be. It is beyond duality, including both form and formlessness. The truth cannot be grasped through words, teachings, or the minds of others. It can only be known through direct realization. And when you do realize it, you may feel compelled to share it, but the moment you put it into words, it is no longer the truth. Because the truth is beyond language. It is Being itself. Don't cling to any idea of concept and don't take anything as the "ultimate truth". The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 (edited) @Breakingthewall Leo Gura called these views that I presented as fantasies that I’m clinging to fantasies. So that means the views presented are not presented by Leo as primary insights. I’m not asking if Advaita Vedanta presents theses views as primary foundational insights I’m literally saying that they don’t present these terrifying ideas as primary foundational insights. The ideas have triggered panic attacks I’ve had plenty of panic attacks. Edited July 30 by Mmartinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @abrakamowse thank you that was helpful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, Mmartinez said: @abrakamowse thank you that was helpful. Glad to know that! :-) The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Mmartinez said: @Breakingthewall Leo Gura called these views that I presented as fantasies that I’m clinging to fantasies. So that means the views presented are not presented by Leo as primary insights. I’m not asking if Advaita Vedanta presents theses views as primary foundational insights I’m literally saying that they don’t present these terrifying ideas as primary foundational insights. the way i see it is that you are only going to experience this life or line of lifes, since once you disappear reality will continue flowing but without you, since you are only a perspective that reality has created at a given moment in its infinite flow. this implies that you are not really you, but reality, only that now you have the form of this self that suffer, but reality does not suffer in the sense that for reality suffering is the same than pleasure, those things are only arisings that occur in the living flow that develops eternally, reality is total and flows in its absolute glory, and you as a self that desires, prefers, fears and seeks are only a temporary vibrational state that is happening in the reality. Then, if you achieve dissolving the self you will realize that you are the reality itself. It's quite shocking. But later you will be back in the self perspective because it's the structure that is happening now But it's very possible that this self/structure when it disappears, it will re-originate based on the energetic imprint of the current self, creating a line of infinite, but laterally limited, experience. That is, you won't experience being me, but rather you in infinitely different possibilities, and I will experience the same thing on another dimensional line between infinite dimensions. This is only what I deduce is possible, not the "truth." Edited July 30 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Breakingthewall thanks for your responses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 (edited) @Leo Gura but you wouldn’t consider the views presented as primary foundational insights right? Since you said I’m clinging to fantasies. Edited July 30 by Mmartinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 @Mmartinez 9 hours ago, Mmartinez said: So these views are not definitively true ? That’s all I want to know. The views could be true but you dont know what it will be like. It could be really fun but you are making up that it will be scary or bad. Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/ How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 7 hours ago, Davino said: Why would you trust Leo or anyone to tell you the truth. That's not how truth-seeking works, with that epistemology 99,9999% of times you end up with falsehood and illusion, it just seems to be the rare case were you tripped over a pile of gold. Oh please tell me this is fake gold! You only know it's true Gold when you bite it; only you can test it for yourself. The irony of this comment is that you're trusting in these videos to tell you the truth. Sharing these videos while saying "why would you trust Leo to tell you the truth", is trusting Leo to tell you the truth. What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30 42 minutes ago, Mmartinez said: @Leo Gura but you wouldn’t consider the views presented as primary foundational insights right? Since you said I’m clinging to fantasies. @Mmartinez as far as I can conclude, Leo's basically extremely accurate with a profound dedication towards a lack of bs. So just know that he's not some cult guy with a massive hard on for random philosophical stories. The only reason I follow him is because he shocks and disturbs me. I just got to a point where I cba with being lost any more. I'm like 99% sure it's all true. After a couple heavy psyc breakthroughs...you'll know something's up. Ps: just because your being told not to believe him, doesn't mean you should disbelieve him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
