Leo's God is the last illusion of ego

[Resurrection]

57 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

God is not imagination, imagination implies a subject and a subject implies limits. God is the infinite becoming interconnected in infinite perspectives that arises from the limitlessness. It's centerless, flowing in infinite dimensions without pause, and you are that. The part and the whole. The whole is in the part, and the part is created by the whole, and same time is creating the whole. Then you never could say that you understand God, you could say that you are open to your divine nature and perceive the perfection of the flow, but it's impossible grasping it. 

God is not imagination that's an assumption. In my opinion everything is a dream, the reality, the God. We are kinda lost in word games here so I will ask you one simple question, if God is infinite doesn't it mean it includes everything, including the process of God dying? It seems very plausible to me. How can be God infinite & omnipotent if it cannot die. You saying it's limited than. It must die to fulfill it's omnipotence.

Edited July 29 by Resurrection

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, Resurrection said:

God is not imagination that's an assumption. In my opinion everything is a dream, the reality, the God. We are kinda lost in word games here so I will ask you one simple question, if God is infinite doesn't it mean it includes everything, including the process of God dying? It seems very plausible to me. How can be God infinite & omnipotent if it cannot die. You saying it's limited than. It must die to fulfill it's omnipotence.

Imagination implies a subject, an action and a result, the reality is absolutely direct. It's the reality, period. Imagination needs two.

Sure , the reality dies and immediately restart again because the lapse without existence doesn't exist 

Dying should be quite challenging, the total surrender of the self. Doing before dying is the point 

Edited July 29 by Breakingthewall

[Resurrection]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imagination implies a subject, an action and a result, the reality is absolutely direct. It's the reality, period. Imagination needs two.

Sure , the reality dies and immediately restart again because the lapse without existence doesn't exist 

Dying should be quite challenging, the total surrender of the self. Doing before dying is the point 

I assume you interchanged word God for reality but in case it restarted then it didn't die, it just restarted in which case God didn't fulfill it's omnipotence. It's a very basic paradox you smartly avoided.

 

Edited July 30 by Resurrection

[Natasha Tori Maru]

OP have you seen anyone die a natural death?

Underneath the ego is consciousness. God.

There is no ego becoming anything - the ego is just survival. When you pass away there is no more need for survival. So the ego sloughs off. The body comes into a state of being as brain functions slow and cease. You witness this ego dissolve, and a state of pure being shine out of the dying person. Unmistakable presence of God. 

It's the same in the birthing process. Have you seen that? I saw my little brother being born. 

The big flaw in your post is that you think when the ego ceases there is still this 'thinking' 'concepts'. There is no thinking going on to 'convince ego it is God'. 

That's gone.

Honestly seeing someone die a natural death with show you in a way no words can.

How do you even know you are in your body? You just assume that. Your consciousness under the ego could be located well outside the material containment of your body. 

You're all backwards here. Upside down and inside out.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Resurrection said:

I assume you interchanged word God for reality but in case it restarted then it didn't die, it just restarted in which case God didn't fulfill it's omnipotence. It's a very basic paradox you smartly avoided.

 

God is not omnipotent at all, it's inevitable, a natural phenomenon that happens due the limitlessness. It has no choice. 

[Resurrection]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

God is not omnipotent at all, it's inevitable, a natural phenomenon that happens due the limitlessness. It has no choice. 

Well you will have to elaborate on that because that doesn't make sense to me. Why is it inevitable? Doesn't limitlessness imply omnipotence? 

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Resurrection said:

Well you will have to elaborate on that because that doesn't make sense to me. Why is it inevitable? Doesn't limitlessness imply omnipotence? 

Limitlessness implies that existence exists, and it's unlimited. Then it can't stop existing of be límited. God is not an entity who decides, is the reality flowing, and this flow is it's will. Then, the God's will and the God's intelligence is exactly the flow of the reality. It's not like if I say: my will is going walking, let's go, then I go. God's will manifests in the movement, it's not separate, not previous. It's exactly the same. Intelligence the same, it's not that god is an entity who is intelligent and creates the flow, it's the flow, and it's intelligence is exactly the flow. There is zero separation between God and the flow of existence, the flow of existence is not a manifestation of the intelligence and will of god, is exactly the intelligence and will of god. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:14 AM by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

18 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Ever thought about how your Alien considers you?

Great. When I reach Alien level you can hold me to that standard. Until then I guess you're just stuck with asshole old me.

Edited Wednesday at 11:19 AM by Leo Gura

[abrakamowse]

17 hours ago, Resurrection said:

in which case God didn't fulfill it's omnipotence

Are you suggesting that God must "die" in order to be truly omnipotent? The issue IMO, is that God is everything. If God "dies," He still is, because even death, non-existence, or the absence of self is within the scope of that everything. Whatever exists in any state... being, non-being, presence, absence is still part of what we call God.

Consciousness, Brahman, the Self, That... which ever name you choose... is beyond dualities like life and death. It is not subject to creation or destruction. Even the idea that "He is not there" is still encompassed within the totality that is God.

In essence, God doesn't die or live. God is... always, in all forms and in formlessness. Outside all concepts, including the concepts of existence and non-existence.

It's better not to create ideas of what IS... IMO 

[Resurrection]

That makes sense

[Water by the River]

On 29.7.2025 at 6:20 PM, Water by the River said:

Ever thought about how your Alien considers you?

"I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation.

This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own."

- David Spangler, Subtle Worlds. An Explorer’s Field Note

 

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Great. When I reach Alien level you can hold me to that standard. Until then I guess you're just stuck with asshole old me.

Not that any of use will achieve this fullly:

On 29.7.2025 at 6:20 PM, Water by the River said:

yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation.

... here in our lifetime.

Yet, it is my experience that a view oriented towards that makes it much easier to stay open in Awakened Awareness in daily life considering all survival (which I prefer as concept) / corruption (which can easily close ones sobre Awakening down, which is why I prefer survival since its easier to have compassion then) on our lovely little backwater planet Earth. 

Planet Earth, a playground which in our present time seems largely to be a Kindergarten of developing souls. Which, in itself, is also a precious learning and development opportunity for all those souls engaged in the survival/corruption of the lower Spiral Dynamic stages. 

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Until then I guess you're just stuck with asshole old me.

I don't consider you as such. Honestly, I quite like you and your development over the last years, having Truth as uncompromising North Star and guidance.

By definition, that North Star leads to the Summum Bonum of the Good, Truth and Beautiful ("Wikipedia, The transcendentals (Latin: transcendentalia, from transcendere "to exceed") are "properties of being", nowadays commonly considered to be truth, unity (oneness), beauty, and goodness" ), to becoming the Alien this life or the next.  

And then maybe, "like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy.... as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation."

So,

Godspeed and bon voyage on/in/as the River!

 

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