You are Enlightenment already.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I think you might have it backwards. That sounds like the materialist paradigm. There is no reality without Consciousness. Reality is made out of Consciousness. 

13 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 

19 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 

Ok could be..I erased the answer because it goes against the beliefs of this site and I don't want to contradict. Just observe the reality and be open to it 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

You suffer deeply because

I suffer a lot reading someone so false as you, full of repressed anger and violence. A tipical fundamentalist full os hate disguised as love. 

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Ok could be..I erased the answer because it goes against the beliefs of this site and I don't want to contradict. Just observe the reality and be open to it 

I hear you. Just think about it, have you ever experienced anything outside your own awareness of it ?

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The point about this is that it's the ultimate wisdom to give up seeking .I know this very well .but what I don't understand is it seems a little bit not realistic at the physical level.  Like right now I'm sitting at home but I feel like my estrogen levels have increased and my Testosterone has gone down cuz I'm sitting  on my ass under my soft blanket for days now without taking a walk under the sun or cutting some trees or shed some sweat .so I feel like I need to do that .you know what I mean?  Or the most obvious example is hunger. All this spiritual bs flies out the window when you are hungry .you must get food. you can't stand the pain of hunger .

Yes. The body has its rhythms. Hunger comes. The muscles long to stretch. The blood wants to move under the sun. That’s not separate from Being. That is Being, expressing through form.

There’s no conflict here.

Giving up seeking doesn’t mean denying movement, effort, action, or need of body. It means no longer seeking yourself in those things. You eat because the body is hungry, not to become whole. You sweat because the body calls for it, not to find purpose.

Let the body live. Let it be wild, soft, strong, tired. Let it move. Let it rest. Just don’t mistake any of it for who You are.

No need to escape life to realize Being. You are already it. Even under the blanket. Even in the ache of hunger.

So, go outside. Not to become real. But because You are Home.

[Wilhelm44]

28 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I say it only as I know it to be truth for me. I only know myself, not others. I have zero access to another’s synthetic thought processing system.
For me, I imagine I’m doing the work that needs to be done, only to realise and recognise there is no separate me doing the work, and that actions are only what’s happening, for no one. For me, this recognition is the paradoxical nature of human self-actualisation.

It’s all still what’s happening as and through an imagined dream character, appearing as me here. 

Is this imagined dream character happy ?

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Giving up seeking doesn’t mean denying movement, effort, action, or need of body. It means no longer seeking yourself in those things. You eat because the body is hungry, not to become whole. You sweat because the body calls for it, not to find purpose.

What do you mean by seeking "yourself "? When I'm hungry I'm just fucking hungry dude and i want my trembling stomach to shut up aching for food..I don't "seek myself " in food . I know exactly who I am. Unfortunately it cannot be said ever. 

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No but I never experienced being a rat and seems that it's a possibility. 

And if you experience oneness with a rat, where would that experience occur ?  Also within your Awareness, right ?

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And if you experience oneness with a rat, where would that experience occur ?  Also within your Awareness, right ?

That's a limited perspective, limited in the center. But I don't want to follow that line because it's not welcome here. Let's see if I can write here just for expression without getting in the mess. 

Edited July 28 by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's a limited perspective, limited in the center. But I don't want to follow that line because it's not welcome here. Let's see if I can write here without getting in the mess. 

Just think about it. There's no escaping Awareness.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Breakingthewall

Right at the beginning you said you are the 'flow' of reality. This does seem to imply that you are identifying your true nature with something that changes. Are you not the changeless One ?

My take on this if I may is as follows.

The journey is, to put it in basic terms most have some inkling of, Jesus to Christ to HS to God. Jesus is you as word made flesh, Christ is doing the change of identity work, HS is then becoming the whole manifest reality that you see through forgiveness, and God is having done this opening up and merging with the unmanifest reality.

And forgiveness means, to walk around and notice whenever not at peace - to withdraw interpretation and ask HS for a better one knowing well I am never unhappy for the reason I think.

Edited July 28 by gettoefl

[kbone]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I suffer a lot reading someone so false as you, full of repressed anger and violence. A tipical fundamentalist full os hate disguised as love. 

James? Full of anger, violence, and hate?? Ummm, uuhh...

Edited July 28 by kbone

[James123]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

What do you mean by seeking "yourself "? When I'm hungry I'm just fucking hungry dude and i want my trembling stomach to shut up aching for food..I don't "seek myself " in food . I know exactly who I am. Unfortunately it cannot be said ever. 

My Brother, Hunger arises, pain arises, You are not the hunger nor the pain. You are that which knows them, yet is untouched.

When you say: "I know who I am, but it is actually cannot be said". Yes, definitely. I agree.

That’s the end of seeking. Being doesn’t seek. It is.

So the body lives,

but Being is still.

And that stillness never seeks.

Moreover, as i said before,

"The body is a temporary vessel, bound by limits and fragility, and that can feel heavy or painful. Yet Being (Our True nature ) itself is not tied to the body. It is the silent presence witnessing all states, free beyond pain or health. Though the body may suffer, the pure experience of life through it is the greatest expression of love. Experiencing fully, even with struggle, is Being’s deepest embrace. What a gift, what a beauty. 

From Being, this body arises and returns. A precious, temporary gift. Do you know how you move your hand, or does it simply happen? Why focus on pain when the beauty of this life flows effortlessly through you? The body is not you; it is a passing reflection. I too have known great trials, yet I remain untouched. Moreover, pure presence beneath all change. How can you be attached to what is fleeting? Simply be conscious of what You truly are: the timeless, formless Being beyond body and form. 

Our True nature is the pure presence that embraces all without judgment or limitation and love is the natural expression of that acceptance and wholeness. To be Truly Present is to be love in its simplest, most essential form".

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

My Brother, Hunger arises, pain arises, You are not the hunger nor the pain. You are that which knows them, yet is untouched.

Wrong. You are creating a duality between bodily sensations and calling them illusion cuz they are fleeting or whatever and then you call the background of all experience aka pure awareness the real you .

You are both . Awareness is actually touched by hunger . When you cum nothing exists but the orgasm . When you are starving nothing exists but the hunger .

Do you want actual truth or spiritual candy ?

[Aaron p]

I suppose you could say I'm already enlightened, the difficulty is that that I is not yet that which I am, or that which I realise myself to be.

This is the spanner in the works of this kind of teaching. Not looking for the no-needle won't cut it.

Edited July 28 by Aaron p

[James123]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Wrong. You are creating a duality between bodily sensations and calling them illusion cuz they are fleeting or whatever and then you call the background of all experience aka pure awareness the real you .

You are both . Awareness is actually touched by hunger . When you cum nothing exists but the orgasm . When you are starving nothing exists but the hunger .

Do you want actual truth or spiritual candy ?

Actually, no.

Not two. Not body or awareness. Not clinging to form, not escaping into formlessness.

Not calling hunger “illusion,” not calling awareness “real.”

All that is more mind games.

When orgasm floods the senses, Being is there. When hunger burns through the gut, Being is there. When silence falls Being is there.

Not above it. Not behind it. In it. As it.

Being doesn’t reject sensation. It doesn’t cling, and it doesn’t turn away.

It is not touched, yet it includes all.

Not numb. Not distant. Impossibly intimate.

Spirituality isn’t escaping life.

It’s no longer grasping for self in any of it, not the body, not the bliss, not even the "awareness."

Just this.

Simple.

No split.

No other.

Or:

"all is one, one is all” is not a concept. It’s not a belief.
It’s what is, before thought tries to hold it.

There is no boundary here. No “this” and “that.” No seer and seen. No inner and outer.
No self and other.

The body, the tree, the scream, the silence not connected things,
but the same thing, moving in different shapes.

All is one:
Because nothing stands apart to be “other.” Even the sense of separation is part of the One.

One is all:
Because the center is everywhere,
and the whole is in every part.

The wave is the ocean. The spark is the fire. The breath is the cosmos inhaling itself.

No division has ever truly happened.

Only Being, endlessly appearing as many, while never becoming two.

Edited July 28 by James123

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, kbone said:

James? Full of anger, violence, and hate?? Ummm, uuhh...

nah just a passive aggressive liar narcissist that what to castrate the minds, a wannabe guru who wants being worshipped nullifying the others and who's very sad and full of hanger inside. The tipical demon that you find in spirituality. There are many . But I shouldn't get so triggered, sometimes I can't control myself, really. I know that I'm stupid and crazy, for sure. I try to be better, equanimity and that. That's the challenge 

Maybe 20% of the people has this kind of behavior,.then let them be. What about you? Enjoying?

Edited July 28 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@kbone make a mental exercise 

Imagine him dressed in white linen, with a silver diadem holding back a thick mane of hair, with incense smoke around him, saying these words with pauses at the exact moments, while raising his hands

Simple

No split 

No other.

Be honest, are you horny imagining it or not? Don't lie

37 minutes ago, James123 said:

Actually, no.

Not two. Not body or awareness. Not clinging to form, not escaping into formlessness.

Not calling hunger “illusion,” not calling awareness “real.”

All that is more mind games.

When orgasm floods the senses, Being is there. When hunger burns through the gut, Being is there. When silence falls Being is there.

Not above it. Not behind it. In it. As it.

Being doesn’t reject sensation. It doesn’t cling, and it doesn’t turn away.

It is not touched, yet it includes all.

Not numb. Not distant. Impossibly intimate.

Spirituality isn’t escaping life.

It’s no longer grasping for self in any of it, not the body, not the bliss, not even the "awareness."

Just this.

Simple.

No split.

No other.

Sorry james I can't avoid see so deep in your soul. Yes yes I'm suffering, you are right. 

Edited July 28 by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

On 27/07/2025 at 3:07 PM, James123 said:

If you already are,

not as a person, not as a story, but as Being itself,

then “enlightenment” is just another dream word trying to arrive at what was never absent.

“ You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. “ - Leo Gura

 

 

“You are Enlightenment” - Mellowmarsh.

 

🤷‍♀️

[Mellowmarsh]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes yes I'm suffering, you are right. 

The I that suffers will always knowingly suffer. There’s no escape from suffering, regardless of what James says to the contrary. It’s really okay to suffer, and doesn’t make you any less enlightened. When suffering is recognised to be impersonal, that’s liberation from the false idea it’s personal, that’s all. 

The knower of suffering is also the known suffering in the exact same instance of knowing.
One with the knowing. As knower and known is one thing.

Just as there’s no smoke without fire, the smoke is not the fire, so the smoke can only be known to be what it is because the source of the smoke (fire) is known too.

 

 

[James123]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

“ You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. “ - Leo Gura

 

 

“You are Enlightenment” - Mellowmarsh.

 

🤷‍♀️

 

To say, I am God, is to separate yourself from the whole.

To say, I am Truth, is to create an image of truth.

 

To say, I am Enlightenment, is to remain in the prison of becoming.

 

Truth is not something "you" are.

Truth is when the "you" (the thinker), the experiencer, the seeker completely ends.

 

Then there is no need to say anything.

 

Simply Being.