Xonas Pitfall

Reality vs. Consciousness (Chicken-Egg Problem)

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1 minute ago, yetineti said:

Death is an illusion. It’s not real. It’s actually impossible.

And you’ve never experienced it. You don’t know what it is. Yet you talk like you do.

Hence, ‘fantasy.’

 

Thats exactly right.

 

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@yetineti have you thought about leaving the body and what consciousness would be body free?  Curious.

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On 7/25/2025 at 5:15 PM, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's the absolute glory. It's unthinkable, if you step outside the closing perspective and become absolute reality, there is still another door. Perceiving yourself as absolute reality is not perceiving your essence, your nature. If experience is completely shattered and you access your nature, veiled by form, the whole explodes. The fact that here and now there are no limits manifests as unlimited totality, absolute potential. The end of the search, total power, total life, the fullness that burns you and threatens to disintegrate you if you don't return to form.

Fantasy; the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

Have you experienced any of this?

It doesn’t even logically make sense. There cannot be anything outside of reality. There is not still ‘another door.’ Reality is complete and total.

Its easy for me to wrap this all up as ‘fantasy’ and even easier for you guys to say I’m making it personal or make comments about how people are close minded or ‘strong argument.’

But can you as easily admit you haven’t experienced any of this and you’re just speculating?

That would be pure philosophy. That’s what leads people to Truth.

If you guys think there’s anything between you and Truth— besides yourselves, you’re greatly mistaken.

The process to Truth is inherently personal. It’s the most personal.

You guys should get used to that. When someone calls your response fantasy— consider that it is and maybe it won’t seem so personal.

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On 7/26/2025 at 4:26 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Then the infinity has a center: you. And a ground, a limit.

Well, that's exactly what supposedly should be dissolved to open yourself to your true nature 

Supposedly. How would we know?

But at some point, when you hit bedrock, there’s nothing left to dissolve. 

In fact, the very idea of dissolving dissolves.

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Just now, yetineti said:

Supposedly.

But at some point, when you hit bedrock, there’s nothing left to dissolve. 

In fact, the very idea of dissolving dissolves.

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12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@yetineti have you thought about leaving the body and what consciousness would be body free?  Curious.

@Inliytened1 Yes, what about it?

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1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

There are an infinity number of forms that suffer infinity more than humans, because of infinity.

I guess so, but seems that possible suffering is proportional to possible depth, it's the price

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Just now, yetineti said:

@Inliytened1 the same

Almost the same 😀

You wouldn't be able to type.


 

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4 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Inliytened1 Yes, what about it?

😂 Are you joking? Are you playing with these guys? 😊 

Being is not located anywhere in the body to leave from. Because the “You" that you think of as yourself is a story arising within Being. Being itself is the space in which the body appears and disappears. So there’s no “you” inside to leave; only the illusion of separation that fades when you recognize the whole. 😊


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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Just now, James123 said:

😂 Are you joking? Are you playing with these guys? 😊 

Being is not located anywhere in the body to leave from. Because the “You" that you think of as yourself is a story arising within Being. Being itself is the space in which the body appears and disappears. So there’s no “you” inside to leave; only the illusion of separation that fades when you recognize the whole. 😊

He's absolutely right. It would be identical other than you would have no form.


 

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11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Almost the same 😀

You wouldn't be able to type.

Maybe I enjoy leaving my body, specifically to type. 😄

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3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Maybe I frequently enjoying leaving my body, specifically to type. 😄

Being tied to a body honestly sucks because we are at the mercy of that body.   So we can joke about it but honestly it sucks especially since many aren't blessed with good health or a working body.

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13 minutes ago, James123 said:

😂 Are you joking? Are you playing with these guys? 😊 

Being is not located anywhere in the body to leave from. Because the “You" that you think of as yourself is a story arising within Being. Being itself is the space in which the body appears and disappears. So there’s no “you” inside to leave; only the illusion of separation that fades when you recognize the whole. 😊

You're within the body now. Make it not so.


 

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10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Being tied to a body honestly sucks because we are at the mercy of that body.   So we can joke about it but honestly it sucks especially since many aren't blessed with good health or a working body.

It’s like being your own poltergeist.

Edit: a poltergeist isn’t exactly what I thought. I was thinking of an old board game ‘Talisman.’

In the game, the poltergeist sticks to your back and reduces movement, etc. You must cross the river to rid yourself of it.

I guess it reminds me of a parasite or something.

The body is like a parasite that hosts itself.

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7 minutes ago, yetineti said:

It’s like being your own poltergeist.

Edit: a poltergeist isn’t exactly what I thought. I was thinking of an old board game ‘Talisman.’

In the game, the poltergeist sticks to your back and reduces movement, etc. You must cross the river to rid yourself of it.

I guess it reminds me of a parasite or something.

The body is like a parasite that hosts itself.

Yeah.  It is a restriction for sure we are just so used to having it.  But imagine if you could make everything happen instantaneously with your mind.  Mountains would form instantly.  Or forests.   Earth.   And beyond.  Sometimes it's nice to stop and smell the flowers.


 

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“Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand
Well I pick up all pieces and make an island
Might even raise a little sand
Yeah“

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2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You're within the body now. Make it not so.

 

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Being tied to a body honestly sucks because we are at the mercy of that body.   So we can joke about it but honestly it sucks especially since many aren't blessed with good health or a working body.

Brother, The body is a temporary vessel, bound by limits and fragility, and that can feel heavy or painful. Yet Being (Our True nature ) itself is not tied to the body. It is the silent presence witnessing all states, free beyond pain or health. Though the body may suffer, the pure experience of life through it is the greatest expression of love. Experiencing fully, even with struggle, is Being’s deepest embrace. What a gift, what a beauty. 

From Being, this body arises and returns. A precious, temporary gift. Do you know how you move your hand, or does it simply happen? Why focus on pain when the beauty of this life flows effortlessly through you? The body is not you; it is a passing reflection. I too have known great trials, yet I remain untouched. Moreover, pure presence beneath all change. How can you be attached to what is fleeting? Simply be conscious of what You truly are: the timeless, formless Being beyond body and form. 

Our True nature is the pure presence that embraces all without judgment or limitation and love is the natural expression of that acceptance and wholeness. To be Truly Present is to be love in its simplest, most essential form.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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