Stop confusing nonduality with radical nonduality (please?)

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

And if you were a dimwit, you wouldn't make this subtle distinction between practicing and dropping the practice.

Its not that subtle, literally every serious spiritual tradition talks about it. 

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The act of meditating itself is the biggest game of 4D Chess, partly because you have to deconstruct the intellect itself, partly because meditation is meant to be effortless but you're also seemingly making an effort. But having a duller intellect doesn't help with that. You also have to deconstruct the dull intellect, and that's a task when you're essentially dealing with an unruly mule on top of having to deconstruct it.

A nuncanced point is: You have to deconstruct ego, not necessaly intellect. You can have an ego with little to no intellect, and you can have intellect with little to no ego. But this is rare to find.

Edited yesterday at 01:20 PM by Eskilon

[PurpleTree]

I feel like very intelligent people they enjoy thinking and also their ego can be tied to their intelligence. Which could potentially be a hindrance. 

[Carl-Richard]

49 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Its not that subtle, literally every serious spiritual tradition talks about it. 

Again, (severe) dimwits don't do spiritual practice, don't pursue spiritual traditions, don't do spirituality.

 

49 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

A nuncanced point is: You have to deconstruct ego, not necessaly intellect. You can have an ego with little to no intellect, and you can have intellect with little to no ego. But this is rare to find.

The intellect is a tool, just like intuition, feeling, heart, that can be used by the ego, or by God. Enlightened beings, the ones who like to use their intellect, tend to have massive intellects.

Edited 23 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

16 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Being a worse Chess player, again, just means you have to rely more on intuition, karma, and luck, as in cases like Nisargadatta Maharaj @UnbornTao. Yes, it's indeed possible to awaken spontaneously without any practice, without any insight or knowledge virtually into anything. But if you don't want to be a literal leaf blowing in the wind, you should not create a blockage against using your intellect. You cannot afford shooting yourself in the foot the very least bit. You're incredibly privileged to have a mind that doesn't just break into nonsense when it encounters a slightly difficult problem.

Playing devil's advocate for fun. This applies to any tool misused or unfit for the task:

In the domain of absolute consciousness, intellect doesn't truly reach. That's why enlightened people might see others as poor chess players in that realm - regardless of how sharp they may be intellectually.

Being highly intellectual doesn't guarantee real intelligence either. It's worth asking what a tool is, what its purpose is, and what it actually accomplishes. In the case of intellect, how can we use it powerfully? Something to meditate on. 

Edited 10 hours ago by UnbornTao

[PurpleTree]

For example Leo

He is very intelligent i’d say.

certainly more intelligent than me.

His intellect helps him in many ways on the "path".

But because he enjoys his intellect it’s harder for him to let go of the path maybe.

Altough it’s unknowable.

There’s no answer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SOUL]

@Salvijus So AI regurgitates your preference for being pedantic about something that ultimately is nonexistent when the point of it is to transcend perceived duality, not continue to create it and reinforce the perception of it. This just illustrates clearly how artificial intelligence is incapable of discerning the distinction between process and presence of mysticism.

It, like the humans who naval gaze on their rules and regulations, has no context for what is presence in awareness because it doesn't have either presence or awareness, again much like humans who have yet to awaken to it. Data sets and large language models don't have the ability to transcend those things to awaken from them.

Awareness in consciousness can and does in those that transcend their relative limitations, so awaken to the absolute infinite. Transcending the duality and awakening to the unity allows us to realize the absolute in our relative experience. So well being is our experience in consciousness regardless of the conditions of life.

Or you can continue to argue about the perceived difference between imagined dust particles...you do you bruh.

[Salvijus]

@SOUL 🙏