Reason Why Enlightenment is Difficult for you and if happened what is waiting

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I believe that you can have strong spiritual experiences and awakenings with transmission or with anything psychedelics etc. But liberation i doubt it, who knows.

What the hell is liberation except a long ass spiritual experience? How do you not connect the two?

Edited Wednesday at 05:30 PM by Carl-Richard

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What the hell is liberation except a long ass spiritual experience? How do you not connect the two?

Alriiiight 👍

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Psychology is extremely important, people is full lies. Layer under later under layer, like an onion

Yea psyche has many layers that’s my experience too

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Narcissist is someone who put first his self image and then the reality. Narcissist is who believes his lies, because his emotional system doesn't allow him another option. He can't be naked, true, even being alone, he needs always a lot of stories about himself rounding is his mind, and when he relate with anyone he does from that need, to feed his self image. He can seem nice but he's always a scammer, a vampire. Seems that he gives but it's to take

It's a stupid attitude, because leads to madness, very bad life

In my past I used to put self image first. But it was not in the classical narcissist way of depending on others, controlling others, being manipulative, needing attention, at the expense of others. It was just a strong desire to have a nice self image, because it’s just so nice in itself

It was not about deception. I tried to find my authentic self, which was synonymous to me with a confident and charming self. Because without the fear I had the ability to be that

 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Same i often wonder.

Because i’ve been in a way obsessed with myself. Often thinking i’m not good enough or whatever though. But i also always want(ed) to impress people.

And then when i thought enlightenment or liberation is possible-ish. I thought i will be soooo cool and impressive when I’m enlightened.

It shows you have self awareness that you have realized this. I doubt the average narcissist in classical medical definition has that self awareness, maybe maybe not

I’ve always been obsessed with myself too. Trying to become best version of myself. It has had both upsides and downsides but mostly downsides because my life has been filled with mental suffering. it’s not the smartest way to go about life in my opinion 

also the classical narcissist affects others negatively through manipulation, needing attention, lying, controlling etc. If you don’t  hurt others in the process then you’re not it

 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea but i have this obsessive mind that obsesses over things. For example a long time ago i was obsessed with my hair. I looked into every reflecting surface to see if my hair was alright. And this is exactly what narcissus did in the water pond  🦭 

I’ve done that too. It’s a different kind of self centeredness than a narcissist. The average young woman in the west is looks obsessed , but not a narcissist because of that 

[Sugarcoat]

I watched a little of nahms (sorry if I spelled wrong) YouTube videos in the past and I thought it was pretty profound (I don’t remember what I say because it was years ago )

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It shows you have self awareness that you have realized this. I doubt the average narcissist in classical medical definition has that self awareness, maybe maybe not

I’ve always been obsessed with myself too. Trying to become best version of myself. It has had both upsides and downsides but mostly downsides because my life has been filled with mental suffering. it’s not the smartest way to go about life in my opinion 

also the classical narcissist affects others negatively through manipulation, needing attention, lying, controlling etc. If you don’t  hurt others in the process then you’re not it

 

Maybe our “me” had to become so dense and suffery. That we either perish physically or the “me” gets dropped. At least that’s what i like to tell myself.

[Breakingthewall]

55 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

In my past I used to put self image first. But it was not in the classical narcissist way of depending on others, controlling others, being manipulative, needing attention, at the expense of others. It was just a strong desire to have a nice self image, because it’s just so nice in itself

It was not about deception. I tried to find my authentic self, which was synonymous to me with a confident and charming self. Because without the fear I had the ability to be that

 

I think thats not self image but desire to be your best version. Self image is precisely "image", something that you imagine and you want that others think about you, like the concept that others have. It's not like being worry if you are fat but hate yourself a lot if you don't fit in an image, so much that you can't bear it and then you believe that you fit in that image that you created to survive emotionally, but deeply you know that's not real and you are very anxious. It's something that happens due deep wounds of lack of love, a big hole in your structure. 

Many people has this hole, it's what I meant in the thread about the wound, but some realize that they have to work in it from inside and others hide it and work from outside. Then they work creating a self image. It's something very disfuncional and source of deep suffering 

Edited Wednesday at 07:06 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

That we either perish physically or the “me” gets dropped.

Definitely, drop "me". Don't wait to perish physically.

Die before you die. Rumi

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I watched a little of nahms (sorry if I spelled wrong) YouTube videos in the past and I thought it was pretty profound (I don’t remember what I say because it was years ago )

Maybe I'm wrong, but when I read him I perceive always the intention of appear profound, not real depth. But that's a subjective impression . I have the same feeling with Krishnamurti for example. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:26 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Maybe our “me” had to become so dense and suffery. That we either perish physically or the “me” gets dropped. At least that’s what i like to tell myself.

Suffering is so core to the me

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe I'm wrong, but when I read him I perceive always the intention of appear profound, not real depth. But that's a subjective impression . I have the same feeling with Krishnamurti for example. 

Maybe he has spiritual wisdom and has had plenty of temporary glimpses but maybe isn’t permanently enlightened. 
 

With Krishnamurti he seems to have good understanding of the mind and fear. What state of consciousness he’s in on a daily basis I don’t know

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe he has spiritual wisdom and has had plenty of temporary glimpses but maybe isn’t permanently enlightened.

Not according to my enlightenment radar 📡🚨 🧐

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not according to my enlightenment radar 📡🚨 🧐

Is this like a gaydar type deal?

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Is this like a gaydar type deal?

 

Edited Thursday at 04:22 PM by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not according to my enlightenment radar 📡🚨 🧐

What am I according to that radar? You can probably smell my self from a mile away

[VeganAwake]

Hahaha, there wouldn't be really anyway of knowing. 

For example an enlightened parent may actually be a part of a big church organization to reap the benefits of a safer environment and cheap childcare services.

They can blend in anywhere like a chameleon.

Trust, enlightenment is not at all what it seems like from most spiritual circles.

❤️ 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What am I according to that radar? You can probably smell my self from a mile away

I would have to see a video of that 👺 (*french early twenties something running up from behind with a baseball bat*).

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Is this like a gaydar type deal?

My gaydar is also impeccable 😌