Reason Why Enlightenment is Difficult for you and if happened what is waiting

[SOUL]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

"I" is the biggest belief. 

Then there are two more beliefs you have to stop doing to be effortless according to your belief system...it's much simpler to not have self created and imposed conditions for someone to 'do' for awakening and enlightenment.

This is efforting in an attempt to be effortless and is like having a process to not have a process. There is no requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing, this is self created and imposed conditions.

The continuous loop of hoop jumping the conditional mind creates is the hamster wheel of methods and practices designed to empower the self. It's feeding the identity obsessed ego to believe it has the 'truth' and another is 'false'.

Sometimes the mind chatters, so what. Sometimes emotions arise, it happens. Sometimes the body itches, then scratch. The body does what it does yet we can have awareness that transcends this, not a belief they prevent awakening, or it does.

[James123]

48 minutes ago, SOUL said:

This is efforting in an attempt to be effortless and is like having a process to not have a process.

Therefore, gateless gate. 

49 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Sometimes the mind chatters, so what. Sometimes emotions arise, it happens. Sometimes the body itches, then scratch.

Where is that mind that chatters much? 

43 minutes ago, SOUL said:

There is no requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing, this is self created and imposed conditions.

So, that's a self for you 😊 

 

46 minutes ago, SOUL said:

The continuous loop of hoop jumping the conditional mind creates is the hamster wheel of methods and practices designed to empower the self. It's feeding the identity obsessed ego to believe it has the 'truth' and another is 'false'.

Method of not knowing or letting go ? 😊 How if the one completely not know or let go, can know what is the Truth or false? 😊 

54 minutes ago, SOUL said:

The body does what it does yet we can have awareness that transcends this, not a belief they prevent awakening, or it does.

Where are you that can have awareness? 😊 

Okey man, you enjoy talking, let's talk ❤️ 

[SOUL]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

Therefore, gateless gate. 

Therefore, senseless nonsense.

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

Where is that mind that chatters much?

Why are people so obsessed with asking 'where'? Or 'who'? More senseless nonsense?

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

So, that's a self for you

'Where' is the requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing? 'Who' is it that says anyone 'must' do this?

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

Method of not knowing or letting go ? 😊 How if the one completely not know or let go, can know what is the Truth or false? 😊 

You seem to suggest it would make sense to ask others 'where' is the 'who' that knows what is truth or false? So... 'where' and 'who' can know 'what' is 'truth' or 'false'? This is fun...but still senseless nonsense.

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

Where are you that can have awareness?

'Where' are 'you' that can let go or be effortless?

Online discourse is filled with spiritualism double speak that gets exposed for the senseless nonsense it is with the simplest contemplation.

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Okey man, you enjoy talking, let's talk

Well, I do enjoy bringing some simple clarity to something that is often clouded with esoteric abstractions. People like to stack up complicated rationale and complex beliefs to create an ideological basis for their psychological machinations.

I enjoy stripping those away from my own psyche and will encourage it for others if they wish to. Even as people claim to have no beliefs, no concepts, no self, no nothing nowhere because where is it? Where? Where? Are we there yet?

I encourage the letting go of letting go, ceasing the releasing...don't lease it to begin with then no need to release it. I don't say you must not must, you can trust your must if you see fit but project your must on others? Must you?

It seems like you enjoy talking, too.

[UnbornTao]

@SOUL Damn we're @SOULmates.  

I do appreciate the 'keeping it real' spirit.

[SOUL]

@UnbornTao mates as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[James123]

46 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Therefore, senseless nonsense.

Why are people so obsessed with asking 'where'? Or 'who'? More senseless nonsense?

'Where' is the requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing? 'Who' is it that says anyone 'must' do this?

You seem to suggest it would make sense to ask others 'where' is the 'who' that knows what is truth or false? So... 'where' and 'who' can know 'what' is 'truth' or 'false'? This is fun...but still senseless nonsense.

'Where' are 'you' that can let go or be effortless?

Online discourse is filled with spiritualism double speak that gets exposed for the senseless nonsense it is with the simplest contemplation.

Well, I do enjoy bringing some simple clarity to something that is often clouded with esoteric abstractions. People like to stack up complicated rationale and complex beliefs to create an ideological basis for their psychological machinations.

I enjoy stripping those away from my own psyche and will encourage it for others if they wish to. Even as people claim to have no beliefs, no concepts, no self, no nothing nowhere because where is it? Where? Where? Are we there yet?

I encourage the letting go of letting go, ceasing the releasing...don't lease it to begin with then no need to release it. I don't say you must not must, you can trust your must if you see fit but project your must on others? Must you?

It seems like you enjoy talking, too.

I love doing anything ❤️ 

All answer of these questions are in thread but I will make it easy like a story 😊 

There is a self/action/mind/birth/belief/knowing/past/future/ attachment with thoughts or any other attachment/experience/God/infinite etc... 

When this self do do completely opposite of action, which are not knowing/actionless/effortlessness etc... self drops. Then there is no experience, belief, experiencer, mind, realization, you, me, god, infinite, etc... disseappears. That's what We really are. İf I can call something, I call it "Being or Source or Moment".

After that any beliefs, attachments drops, therefore mind becomes quite (no more suffering) and being the moment is inevitable. However, dream still continues (life is a magic). You talk through the body, however, You are not attached to it. There is no past or future, just now, and there is no sense of self.

And lastly, Present moment has a gift to itself, which is Love. That's the only reason of creation. 

Body will die sooner or later enjoy your time before it's too late. This is the last chance. Moreover, Real enjoying only lies within love.

[Carl-Richard]

13 hours ago, James123 said:

I, universe, god, infinite, any beliefs (including the enlightenment) can not be so called enlightened. When all these drops then so called enlightenment happens, which is the present moment, now, source. Therefore, so called "speaking" from the source is inevitable.

Story time ❤️ 

I was making money from modeling. I had a open heart surgery and lost my career, psychic and money. After that I started to question existence. And started to meditate. While that, I lost my dad and had a seizure. Because of that I have completely dedicated myself for God or Truth. Therefore, start to contemplate, use psychedelics and more meditation, then I have realized that I am infinite, God, everything etc... Moreover, I was diagnosed with ADHD, Major depression and ocd. I was trying let go the ego in order to be god, infinite, knowing everything as in psychedelic state. Than, The last hit came with my son had diagnosed with tachycardia, then I was devastated. All my work, being God, infinite, human, contemplation, being good or bad and meditations etc... were for nothing. After that I have lost all hope, expectations (including breathing or thinking), and let go anything and everything without any expectation (even give up the god, infinite and lost hope of everything). Moreover , I was home, just didn't even hold the body and i fall on the floor. Then rest is come as in the thread. 

Quotes are deriving in now, which is the source. 

@all Do you guys still not understand that you have to give up everything? It's so simple it's tragicomical.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Effortless force

[SOUL]

@James123 It's humorous that you felt compelled to answer rhetorical questions, if you are really what you claim to be this thread 'musting' everyone is also quite revealing.

[James123]

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

@James123 It's humorous that you felt compelled to answer rhetorical questions, if you are really what you claim to be this thread 'musting' everyone is also quite revealing.

I am just trying to help brother. İf you don't like it or happy with your life, just leave it. İt's all good. 😊 

[VeganAwake]

Its all gravy baby 😋 

[SOUL]

@James123 Don't project your delusions onto others...that isn't helping anyone, not even yourself.

[Breakingthewall]

@SOUL you are trying to have a discussion when james is lying to you, do you see it, right? If you tell him something, he'll tell you the opposite, or something unrelated that sounds mysterious to win you over (according to him). And if you give him impossible-to-refute arguments, he'll tell you those are just words, or "I love you, brother," and put a heart emoji in it, when he's really projecting aggression toward you. This is how a narcissist behaves in an interaction: always lying. But he doesn't realize it. 

Edited Monday at 11:56 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@James123 I remember your two trips report when you took 10 gr of mushroom perfectly, was absolute nihilism, nothing. Then you changed the version telling that you got enlightened, but before you always was saying: reality is nothing, and putting videos of papaji.  Now you ve change to a more positive version with love, but the point for you is showing the others that you are enlightened. You should ask yourself: why am I doing it? It's something deep, a need. What if you are honest at least once? In all the interactions with people you only want to take, like a vampire. Do you think that's not obvious? Be brave and break your barrier, be honest, show your true face. Or your plan is searching people around to vampirize them , like if you were sadhguru or any of those vampires? You are not going to achieve it, your game is too obvious 

Anyway, it's interesting like an example

Edited Tuesday at 12:15 AM by Breakingthewall

[SOUL]

@Breakingthewall This isn't my first rodeo, I'm aware of what's going on if my responses didn't clue you in to where I'm at but I'm just performing the part in the play so anyone who may come across this discussion might possibly get some clarity from it.

Edited Tuesday at 12:14 AM by SOUL

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 I remember your two trips report when you took 10 gr of mushroom perfectly, was absolute nihilism, nothing. Then you changed the version telling that you got enlightened, but before you always was saying: reality is nothing, and putting videos of papaji.  Now you ve change to a more positive version with love, but the point for you is showing the others that you are enlightened. You should ask yourself: why am I doing it? It's something deep, a need. What if you are honest at least once? In all the interactions with people you only want to take, like a vampire. Do you think that's not obvious? Be brave and break your barrier, be honest, show your true face. Or your plan is searching people around to vampirize them , like if you were sadhguru or any of those vampires? 

 

4 minutes ago, SOUL said:

@Breakingthewall This isn't my first rodeo, I'm aware of what's going on if my responses didn't clue you in to where I'm at but I'm just performing the part in the play so anyone who may come across this discussion may get some clarity from it.

Do you wanna know why I am trying to help? Do you want me to be honest? 

Because, those psychedelics trips made me lose in thought process. I couldn't see the Truth, which is just in front of me. That's all about it. Even Leo still can not see it. İf you like it, believe me, if you do not like it leave it.

Believe me, if you are trusting psychedelic experiences or any experiences, you are not your are just lost. 

Now if you like it, like it or leave it. İ just realize that, You guys choose to suffer.

Therefore, I don't give a fuck.

Peace.

Edited Tuesday at 12:18 AM by James123

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

 

Do you wanna know why I am trying to help? Do you want me to be honest? 

Because, those psychedelics trips made me lose in thought process. I couldn't see the Truth, which is just in front of me. That's all about it. Even Leo still can not see it. İf you like it, believe me, if you do not like it leave it.

Believe me, if you are trusting psychedelic experiences or any experiences, you are not your are just lost. 

Now if you like it, like it or leave it. İ just realize that, You guys choose to lose.

Therefore, I don't give a fuck.

Peace.

I think that maybe you believe what you are saying. I don't know how make you see what you are doing, maybe it's just impossible 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

@Breakingthewall This isn't my first rodeo, I'm aware of what's going on if my responses didn't clue you in to where I'm at but I'm just performing the part in the play so anyone who may come across this discussion might possibly get some clarity from it.

Yes it seems as you say, I just read superficially, it's a ping pong game, like any conversation with james. 

@James123 you could do as you want but what you are pointing is just false, then better show it. 

[James123]

@Breakingthewall@SOUL Peter Ralston, Krishnamurti, Rumi, Buddha, Eckhart Tolle, İmam Ghazali, Alan Watts etc... Are pointing out to same thing. But, if the mind is active, you can not see it, and all these psychedelics journey, mind is only not active, it is all over the place. Your entire life is belongs to mind (from birth to now, any experience that you have had), just let go the mind.

This is my last post you you brothers.

Good luck to you on your journey.

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:39 AM by James123

[SOUL]

@Breakingthewall Just another in the long line of spiritualists who take some drugs then think they are the first and only one to 'see' and 'know' the 'truth'. Just wait a minute...there will be another thread by someone proclaiming it again.... 

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

Do you wanna know why I am trying to help? Do you want me to be honest? 

Because, those psychedelics trips made me lose in thought process. I couldn't see the Truth, which is just in front of me. That's all about it. Even Leo still can not see it. İf you like it, believe me, if you do not like it leave it.

Believe me, if you are trusting psychedelic experiences or any experiences, you are not your are just lost. 

Now if you like it, like it or leave it. İ just realize that, You guys choose to lose.

Therefore, I don't give a fuck.

Peace.

You thinking you are the only one who sees and knows the truth, b-b-but NOT even LEO does!!!! You are simply another young soul that will continue to expand in awareness.

The reason it appears you do actually gaf? You keep posting rushing from thread to thread telling others about it thinking you can teach everyone everything.

Eventually you will mature in the way of being and realize there is an infinite multitude in the 'oneness' not a solitary magnitude in it, it's ok to be young in the way of being.

Edited Tuesday at 12:40 AM by SOUL