Reason Why Enlightenment is Difficult for you and if happened what is waiting

[James123]

15 hours ago, SOUL said:

If you imagine 'must' then 'must' it is for you but don't project your 'must' on some imagined others, let go of the musty....or not, you can stay musty.

If there is "person", it is "must" from them. you can use the word of "can". However, I do not see any other way.

[SOUL]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

If there is "person", it is "must" from them. you can use the word of "can". However, I do not see any other way.

Of course, you cannot see any other way, it's what you have created for yourself and placed in the way. It's a self fulfilling prophesy, since you have envisioned the obstacle and constructed it. If you had not, it would not and then you could see another way.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Of course, you cannot see any other way, it's what you have created for yourself and placed in the way. It's a self fulfilling prophesy, since you have envisioned the obstacle and constructed it. If you had not, it would not and then you could see another way.

Definitely not. There is no place for "you" in stillness or effortlessness. you or i is the action itself.

Could you please give me an example of an action in order to be still or effortless?

[SOUL]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

Definitely not. There is no place for "you" in stillness or effortlessness. you or i is the action itself.

Could you please give me an example of an action in order to be still or effortless?

Begging the question is not asking a question, it's a disingenuous exercise in seeking what one thinks they already know. Read the quote in your own signature.

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"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

 

[James123]

15 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Begging the question is not asking a question, it's a disingenuous exercise in seeking what one thinks they already know. Read the quote in your own signature.

Effortlessness, stillness, being or actionless is not an exercise. Completely opposite.

Therefore, "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.". 

Love you. 

 

[SOUL]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

Effortlessness, stillness, being or actionless is not an exercise. Completely opposite.

Therefore, "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.". 

Love you. 

 

Although, misdirection is an activity. You asking a loaded question you think you know the answer to is an exercise and then you trying to misdirect that to something else is also an exercise.

Of course, you will probably retort with that there is no 'you' that is 'doing' this so exercise the misdirection even more.

[Hojo]

I saw a video yesterday that when a person is awakened and then they are still unsure about wether they even want spirituality or earth life that the guru who awakens them will send them to heaven so they can finish what they want to do. Then the person will make up their next life after to finish awakening.

[samijiben]

Physical death is only neccesary to reach Enlightenment because we set it up that way — we are the ones who made it so that only physical death will save us. So it is not the case that this is true because that's just how the universe works. The universe has the possibility to construct itself from the ground up in whateverwhich way, so you could also set it up where $20,000 is the Holy Grail... just sayin.

[James123]

On 7/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, SOUL said:

Although, misdirection is an activity. You asking a loaded question you think you know the answer to is an exercise and then you trying to misdirect that to something else is also an exercise.

Of course, you will probably retort with that there is no 'you' that is 'doing' this so exercise the misdirection even more.

All I am saying is effortlessness is not an activity. 

Attachment with one word is a belief, therefore activity.

Therefore, Believing in "there is no you" is an activity.

However, If this is misdirection for you, I respect that.

Much love. ❤️ 

[SOUL]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

All I am saying is effortlessness is not an activity. 

Attachment with one word is a belief, therefore activity.

Therefore, Believing in "there is no you" is an activity.

However, If this is misdirection for you, I respect that.

Much love. ❤️ 

So is believing one "must" for enlightenment an activity...in addition to the activity that is believed "must" be done, two distinct activities and two distinct beliefs. Hm?

What about believing effortlessness is not an activity and it holds some significance or benefit? That's an activity or two, too.

Edited 4 hours ago by SOUL

[UnbornTao]

On 7/15/2025 at 11:22 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Break yourself into a thousand pieces so the sun can pass through you, says Rumi.

Where is the sun in your enlightenment?

It's cloudy today.

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

On 7/15/2025 at 3:22 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Break yourself into a thousand pieces so the sun can pass through you, says Rumi.

Where is the sun in your enlightenment?

It's cloudy today.

...at night.

[UnbornTao]

Just now, SOUL said:

...at night.