Finally a true god realization

[Eskilon]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

what is real is the substance of reality, not its structure.

The two are intimately related in my view. How can they be separate?

 

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

About deep sleep, it's just an interruption in the conciousness, it's the same than death, it's in another plane of the reality: what doesn't exist. Existence is what's happens, the becoming, deep sleep doesn't happen, it's out of the happening, but that doesn't means that it isn't real. Happening is the movement of the reality, then the absence of happening is just the reality still. 

But it exists though, because you remember, in a way. Does non-existence, exists? Well, it seems like it do because it belongs to the set of everything which must includes non-existence.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

43 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I think that might be you with the captial Y. But I don't know at the moment soo, yeah. 

Hmm, I feel like deep sleep might be pointing to what Absolute is. A nothing is a nothing irrespective of who or what is trying to grasp it. This is how I understand it anyway🤠

Indeed - my addendum was to add that my thoughts were an attempt to grasp the topic from the relative domain. Because I agree with you - fingers are pointing that way

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

But it exists though, because you remember, in a way. Does non-existence, exists? Well, it seems like it do because it belongs to the set of everything which must includes non-existence.

Non existence doesn't exist, is the reality still, existence is the reality changing . Imo it's important to see the difference between existence and reality 

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

The two are intimately related in my view. How can they be separate?

 

Not separate, reality is the absolute, existence is an aspect of the reality, the becoming. The change of the reality respect itself, movement. It's infinite, but not absolute. The absolute is the reality. This is the point.

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[James123]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imo it's important to see the difference between existence and reality 

What is in front of you brother right now?

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, James123 said:

What is in front of you brother right now?

Your words that are going to say anything like everything is a thought with thoughts

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your words that are going to say anything like everything is a thought with thoughts

No. What is in front of you now? Right now? Without any judgement?

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

No. What is in front of you now? Right now? Without any judgement?

A phone?

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A phone?

That's what entire totality is. No where else. İn Now.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

That's what entire totality is. No where else. İn Now.

Yes but Now I can be absolutely angry because I have not enough methanphetamine to invite 3 prostitutes to my house and stay 3 days in a kind of "now" let's say closed. It's different than if my now is being Buddha under that tree 

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but Now I can be absolutely angry because I have not enough methanphetamine to invite 3 prostitutes to my house and stay 3 days in a kind of "now" let's say closed. It's different than if my now is being Buddha under that tree 

Anger arises within the moment, however, if you are angry that's an attachment. Therefore, as I said without any attachment, Now. 

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

Anger arises within the moment, however, if you are angry that's an attachment. Therefore, as I said without any attachment, Now. 

Without anything that closes there is openenss. The problem is that usually there is something that closes, then we have to understand how our structure closes to open it. 

[James123]

For example;

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem is that usually there is something that closes

This arises within the moment, but the describing as the "problem" is an attachment.

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

then we have to understand how our structure closes to open it. 

When you realize that the anger arises as you and is you, not that you are angry, then anger vanishes. There is no separation with "you" and "anger". 

When you are exactly in the moment, just the anger arises. Because, in the moment you can not attach with the anger. "you" come from past, however, anger is in the moment. Therefore, attachment. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

When you realize that the anger arises as you and is you, not that you are angry, then anger vanishes. There is no separation with "you" and "anger". 

34 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

Then if you see your family being tortured you would do that realization and the anger would be vanished because you would realize that you are the anger?

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

When you are exactly in the moment, just the anger arises. Because, in the moment you can not attach with the anger. "you" come from past, however, anger is in the moment. Therefore, attachment. 

Then if the Sioux tell you that in 5 minutes you will be buried in an anthill to be devoured by the ants during a week, you will be ok because just now there in nothing wrong?

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

This arises within the moment, but the describing as the "problem" is an attachment

Then if the doctor tells you that you have brain cancer that will slowly leave you mentally retarded and crazy, amidst horrible pain, if you don't define it as a "problem", everything would be ok and you will leave the doctor happy and without any anxiety?

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if you see your family being tortured you would do that realization and the anger would be vanished because you would realize that you are the anger?

Then if the Sioux tell you that in 5 minutes you will be buried in an anthill to be devoured by the ants during a week, you will be ok because just now there in nothing wrong?

Then if the doctor tells you that you have brain cancer that will slowly leave you mentally retarded and crazy, amidst horrible pain, if you don't define it as a "problem", everything would be ok and you will leave the doctor happy and without any anxiety?

The body has no control on anything whatsoever, and you have no control on the body whatsoever. İt has billions of molecules working at the same time, writing to me makes you "think" that "you" are in control? 

You did not choose your DNA, your gender, your family, country, religion, therefore your past etc... Therefore, you have to control for the future whatsoever. 

Detaching or letting go of all these things only way to Be in the moment.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

The body has no control on anything whatsoever, and you have no control on the body whatsoever. İt has billions of molecules working at the same time, writing to me makes you "think" that "you" are in control? 

You did not choose your DNA, your gender, your family, country, religion, therefore your past etc... Therefore, you have to control for the future whatsoever. 

Detaching or letting go of all these things only way to Be in the moment.

I have some control since i am a closed form that, when opened, allows the absolute to express itself. 

Then I'm the absolute in a form, that of the family and DNA are expressions of the absolute ,parts of an infinite chain of cause and effect that give rise to an expression of reality that is both consequence and cause, and that is oriented toward opening or closing by its will.

Will is the inevitable expansion of reality, the incessant movement, which can be oriented in different directions but can't be not oriented since it's movement. You, as a structure, are form but also an expression of the reality; what you choose is the choice of the total 

[James123]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have some control since i am a closed form that, when opened, allows the absolute to express itself. 

You saying yourself 😊 You are closed form, because try to control. When you do not control, You are the absolute. So, why you just give up? 😊 That's it.

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[James123]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

You saying yourself 😊 You are closed form, because try to control. When you do not control, You are the absolute. So, why you just give up? 😊 That's it.

Therefore, being absolute / infinite doesn't need to control, because it's anything and everything. Therefore, just flows. Which is the present moment.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

You saying yourself 😊 You are closed form, because try to control. When you do not control, You are the absolute. So, why you just give up? 😊 That's it.

Of course I am, I have a body to protect, money to gain and all that. Why denying the reality? 

 

[James123]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course I am, I have a body to protect, money to gain and all that. Why denying the reality? 

 

What do you think this is? A mental masturbation? 

You literally die in this process and realize you are not the body nor mind. And merge with the moment or become the moment. İf the body becomes poor, rich, homeless etc. it will, but not You.

You just flow like river and burn with Love. 

However, if you are attached to above you said, you will suffer till death of the body. 

Die before you die. (Rumi)

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

What do you think this is? A mental masturbation? 

You literally die in this process and realize you are not the body nor mind. And merge with the moment or become the moment. İf the body becomes poor, rich, homeless etc. it will, but not You.

You just flow like river and burn with Love. 

However, if you are attached to above you said, you will suffer till death of the body. 

Die before you die. (Rumi)

i am the body and the mind . Look, do an experiment, take one of those bread knives and saw off your leg. You'll see that you're the body.

The point is not deny the obvious like if you try to become psycho, is open your perspective and realize the flow and the nature of what is. Be one with the totality without denying the part

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall