End of Spirituality is;

[James123]

the end of mind chattering.

That's it.

Don't get in to fantasies. 

Much love.

[Sugarcoat]

I can temporarily stop my mind chatter if I place my attention on a sense perception (for example by focusing on object in front of me)

Maybe I’m still thinking when I do that but I just don’t notice hmmm

But I don’t know how to prolong that silence. And I don’t know what would be achieved if I prolonged that silence, because I don’t find my mind disruptive

[James123]

31 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I can temporarily stop my mind chatter if I place my attention on a sense perception (for example by focusing on object in front of me)

Maybe I’m still thinking when I do that but I just don’t notice hmmm

 

31 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But I don’t know how to prolong that silence.

Non stop mantra, dikhr etc... 

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

And I don’t know what would be achieved if I prolonged that silence, because I don’t find my mind disruptive

When mind stops, universe stops. And Truth shines.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Non stop mantra, dikhr etc... 

Thanks 

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

When mind stops, universe stops. And Truth shines.

Isn’t it the same just with a quiet mind lol. In the gap between my thoughts is the same as when I think or am I wrong?

[James123]

18 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks

Anytime brother.

19 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Isn’t it the same just with a quiet mind lol.

"Quite mind" is still a mind activity.

20 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

In the gap between my thoughts is the same as when I think or am I wrong?

Maybe, you or universe are the accumulation of thoughts? 

Just non stop dikhr or mantra 😊 

[Breakingthewall]

Then a cat is enlightened?

[Sugarcoat]

27 minutes ago, James123 said:

"Quite mind" is still a mind activity.

 

Ok and a chair is a concept 

27 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

Maybe, you or universe are the accumulation of thoughts? 

 

I think but my thoughts aren’t me

 

[James123]

@Breakingthewall @Sugarcoat The point is actionless, stillness, which is based on no expectations.

Any questions, understanding, learning, thinking, experiencing is based on action, which is based on expectations.

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Breakingthewall @Sugarcoat The point is actionless, stillness, which is based on no expectations.

Any questions, understanding, learning, thinking, experiencing is based on action, which is based on expectations.

Maybe it works for you to get total openess to your nature, maybe for another works dancing salsa. 

What I mean is , stillness and that is not essentially different than action, could be necessary in some point to change your energetic structure, but it's not enlightenment itself 

Edited July 15 by Breakingthewall

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I mean is , stillness and that is not essentially different than action, could be necessary in some point to change your energetic structure, but it's not enlightenment itself 

The birth, life, universe is the action itself.

Truth or enlightenment is the completely opposite of it. 

So, you are saying, life is enlightenment?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

The birth, life, universe is the action itself.

Truth or enlightenment is the completely opposite of it. 

So, you are saying, life is enlightenment?

That's a duality between enlightenment and form. A denial of a facet of reality as false in opposition to another as true

[James123]

59 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's a duality between enlightenment and form.

There is no duality.

59 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A denial of a facet of reality as false in opposition to another as true

No. It is realization that action or will is an illusion. However, if one is attached to action, then there is a opposition.

Actionless is realization of there is no opposition.

Edited July 15 by James123

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

There is no duality.

No. It is realization that action is an illusion.

Then there is duality between reality and illusion. Do you know where this comes from? From the meditative Buddhist tradition. According to it, you have to force the mind to stop, since its movement is an error; it's falsehood. Silence, on the other hand, is truth. This way, you reach a silent state in which you repress the psyche and, with it, suffering. This is normally supported by the idea of reincarnation.

Whoever cuts off their mind in this way usually does so in search of a better future, even if they won't admit it, even to themselves: better reincarnation or nirvana (I'm not saying that it's your case). Given the obvious duality of stillness and movement, it is affirmed that movement doesn't exist, and thus the problem is solved. But movement exist. Calling it illusion is meaningless imo

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then there is duality between reality and illusion.

Actually, I am trying to say is; There is duality in reality and illusion.  Therefore, as you mention below, silence state belongs to duality.

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

From the meditative Buddhist tradition. According to it, you have to force the mind to stop, since its movement is an error; it's falsehood. Silence, on the other hand, is truth. This way, you reach a silent state in which you repress the psyche and, with it, suffering. This is normally supported by the idea of reincarnation

Therefore, that mediative Buddhist tradition is misleading.

[Eskilon]

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

can temporarily stop my mind chatter if I place my attention on a sense perception (for example by focusing on object in front of me)

Maybe I’m still thinking when I do that but I just don’t notice hmmm

But I don’t know how to prolong that silence. And I don’t know what would be achieved if I prolonged that silence, because I don’t find my mind disruptive

@Sugarcoat Didnt you say you have no-self basically permanent?

Edited July 15 by Eskilon

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

@Sugarcoat Didnt you say you have no-self basically permanent?

Never said no self at all just said that my self dissolved to significant degree (not completely). It was much denser in past. I had fears now I have no fears except physical pain. 

I have a quite subtle self now

Edited July 15 by Sugarcoat

[SOUL]

If someone creates a condition for 'x' to be...whatever it is you prefer to call that 'x', enlightenment or awakening or liberation or god realization or whatever, then it is you who puts that condition between it. It isn't there if you don't create that separation from it.

So if it's mind chatter or emotions or ego or suffering or whatever one would say is the condition that keeps them from it, is what keeps them from it. Without placing that condition in the way it isn't in the way, it doesn't serve as the obstacle that separates.

It is also the same with suggesting there is only one way or some specific circumstances to be it, then it is the one who believes it is this thing then it is them who has that which they created for themselves. Not anyone else though, to say it is this way for me so it is for you is creating imagined obstacles for others.

Someone might say to me aren't you creating that condition for others? I'm not creating the condition for others to abide by, I'm just pointing at the presence or absence of them.

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Never said no self at all just said that my self dissolved to significant degree (not completely). It was much denser in past. I had fears now I have no fears except physical pain. 

I have a quite subtle self now

Are you ok with your house burning down next week, or your parents dying tomorrow? Are you okay in being homeless? Or going blind because of some condition？

Edited July 15 by Eskilon

[Someone here]

15 hours ago, James123 said:

the end of mind chattering.

That's it.

Don't get in to fantasies. 

Much love.

End of spirituality is going to sleep that's the best spiritual practice.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura Is this fake spirituality? Danm right 

Edited July 16 by ExploringReality