Health as #1 priority

[Schizophonia]

20 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

yes

No

[Joshe]

I was thinking about where and how health fits into the scheme of life just yesterday and came up with what I think is the optimal order of operations.

environment → time → health → money → purpose

1. Physical world / environment must be mastered first. Once one attains near perfect discipline and mastery here, learning to keep all within one's sphere tidy and in its place, via principles of essentialism, minimalism, and efficiency, then move to the next.
2. Time management: Once the physical domain is handled, now one needs to learn how to spend their time by applying structure and routine to the daily duties that life demands. This is where you set schedules for things like sleep, daily routines, maintenance routines, leisure activities, etc, and learn to live by them. 
3. Health: Once time management is mastered, now is time to optimize and master the energy, vitality, and longevity of the human organism. I put this third because it's a big project and hard to tackle without the previous two. Next:
4. Financial management: Applying principles of essentialism, minimalism, etc, to make sure your capital is always increasing. 
5. Life purpose: You cannot perform this efficiently without the previous steps.

It might take a year or more to build the discipline and habits for each stage. Mastery of each stage is necessary before moving to the next, at least for my vision of what it means to live right. You'll always be fighting an uphill battle if you try to jump directly to life purpose with low degrees of success in the other stages. To gamify and master each stage is my ideal.

Regarding energy, the human organism did not evolve to live easily and comfortably with high cognitive volume and complexity. What is the result of spending decades pushing the limits of cognition, accumulating ever-increasing volume and complexity? I suspect the mind cannot sustain it indefinitely without loss of energy, vitality, and probably even health. 

Edited Thursday at 05:40 PM by Joshe

[RendHeaven]

12 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

No

lol👺

[Natasha Tori Maru]

On 16/07/2025 at 11:08 PM, Florian said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Tbh I think homeostasis is the most fundamental principle of health. Its like the frame in which all the rest is built in, but the frame and the inside are connected so if the inside is shit the frame will get moldy and break, if the frame is broken and the inside is great, the inside just collapses. So yea Homeostasis is very important, but you are missing like the other half of the equation.

Yes indeed - elaborate on 'frame'

[Rigel]

On 2025-07-17 at 3:18 AM, Norbert Somogyi said:

Why does every topic need to be mental masturbation and bickery, coated as non-dual debates? This is the Health & Fitness sub-forum, not the spiritual one.

That’s just what humans do. I haven’t met anyone yet who doesn’t believe in & try to convince people of their crap daily to some extent. I don’t believe you if you tell me you don’t do it. But I also think spiritual perspectives on health are on topic here.

We die if we stop masturbating. This is very serious lol.

[theleelajoker]

On 7/17/2025 at 7:26 PM, Joshe said:

I was thinking about where and how health fits into the scheme of life just yesterday and came up with what I think is the optimal order of operations.

environment → time → health → money → purpose

1. Physical world / environment must be mastered first. Once one attains near perfect discipline and mastery here, learning to keep all within one's sphere tidy and in its place, via principles of essentialism, minimalism, and efficiency, then move to the next.
2. Time management: Once the physical domain is handled, now one needs to learn how to spend their time by applying structure and routine to the daily duties that life demands. This is where you set schedules for things like sleep, daily routines, maintenance routines, leisure activities, etc, and learn to live by them. 
3. Health: Once time management is mastered, now is time to optimize and master the energy, vitality, and longevity of the human organism. I put this third because it's a big project and hard to tackle without the previous two. Next:
4. Financial management: Applying principles of essentialism, minimalism, etc, to make sure your capital is always increasing. 
5. Life purpose: You cannot perform this efficiently without the previous steps.

It might take a year or more to build the discipline and habits for each stage. Mastery of each stage is necessary before moving to the next, at least for my vision of what it means to live right. You'll always be fighting an uphill battle if you try to jump directly to life purpose with low degrees of success in the other stages. To gamify and master each stage is my ideal.

Regarding energy, the human organism did not evolve to live easily and comfortably with high cognitive volume and complexity. What is the result of spending decades pushing the limits of cognition, accumulating ever-increasing volume and complexity? I suspect the mind cannot sustain it indefinitely without loss of energy, vitality, and probably even health. 

In general valuable concepts and I generally agree with most of what you say in most of your posts. But here, my impression is that you are putting too much structure, too much intellect, too much 3-D thinking.

It's a interdependent system, not an order. And does it really take one year or more? I would challenge that. Ans what does mastery mean? Skills and evolution are infinite, it's not a final stage.

You are right that you cannot "jump" to one thing, 100% agreement. But IMO structuring as you it here and in your mind does not help. Look what situations reality creates for you, what people enter your life, what decisions you are forced to make, what (in)actions you take. "External" reality perfectly synchronizes with your inner energetic patterns --> that's your "structure", if you need one, but it evolves automatically, naturally, flowing with you. Trying to create a plan/order/structure with your mind is in my experience a dead end.  So much my 50 cent, happy to hear other experiences and perspectives

Edited Sunday at 11:02 AM by theleelajoker

[Joshe]

4 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

In general valuable concepts and I generally agree with most of what you say in most of your posts. But here, my impression is that you are putting too much structure, too much intellect, too much 3-D thinking.

It's a interdependent system, not an order. And does it really take one year or more? I would challenge that. Ans what does mastery mean? Skills and evolution are infinite, it's not a final stage.

You are right that you cannot "jump" to one thing, 100% agreement. But IMO structuring as you it here and in your mind does not help. Look what situations reality creates for you, what people enter your life, what decisions you are forced to make, what (in)actions you take. "External" reality perfectly synchronizes with your inner energetic patterns --> that's your "structure", if you need one, but it evolves automatically, naturally, flowing with you. Trying to create a plan/order/structure with your mind is in my experience a dead end.  So much my 50 cent, happy to hear other experiences and perspectives

Yeah, you might be right. I take your feedback seriously because I know I’m prone to procrastination via strategy and intellect. 

You could just go do the first thing that needs done and not worry about where it fits into the scheme of life, and that would indeed be simpler, but it’s hard to become competent in these areas without strategy and developing principles and abiding by them. 

The reason I structured it like that is because if you attempt to shore up all these areas simultaneously, it doesn’t work because there’s too much to handle. If you try to get your finances in order, not only do you have to come up with a system for financial management, you have to come up with operating principles or rules to live by. Setting and abiding by those rules involves strategy and integration, which takes time. And I used ”1 year” just to say it could take some time, because you have to strategize and integrate. There’s definitely a trap of intellectualization though. 

Most of us have bad habits that prevent us from becoming our ideal self. So if we’re to become our ideal self, which involves becoming competent in the management of life, we have to remove those bad habits.  

Mastery wasn’t the best word. I just meant being able to fully integrate the habits and routines such that you abide by them effortlessly. 

And of course, they're all interdependent. It's harder to adopt such a strategy once you're already in the thick of life. I was envisioning it for youngsters. I'd be glad to go back to when I was 18 and spend a season of my life doing nothing but surviving and building those habits. 

4 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Trying to create a plan/order/structure with your mind is in my experience a dead end. 

It often is, but I don't see any other way to reach an ideal. IME, they don't just materialize.

Edited Sunday at 03:39 PM by Joshe

[theleelajoker]

On 7/20/2025 at 5:21 PM, Joshe said:

Yeah, you might be right. I take your feedback seriously because I know I’m prone to procrastination via strategy and intellect. 

You could just go do the first thing that needs done and not worry about where it fits into the scheme of life, and that would indeed be simpler, but it’s hard to become competent in these areas without strategy and developing principles and abiding by them. 

The reason I structured it like that is because if you attempt to shore up all these areas simultaneously, it doesn’t work because there’s too much to handle. If you try to get your finances in order, not only do you have to come up with a system for financial management, you have to come up with operating principles or rules to live by. Setting and abiding by those rules involves strategy and integration, which takes time. And I used ”1 year” just to say it could take some time, because you have to strategize and integrate. There’s definitely a trap of intellectualization though. 

Most of us have bad habits that prevent us from becoming our ideal self. So if we’re to become our ideal self, which involves becoming competent in the management of life, we have to remove those bad habits.  

Mastery wasn’t the best word. I just meant being able to fully integrate the habits and routines such that you abide by them effortlessly. 

And of course, they're all interdependent. It's harder to adopt such a strategy once you're already in the thick of life. I was envisioning it for youngsters. I'd be glad to go back to when I was 18 and spend a season of my life doing nothing but surviving and building those habits. 

It often is, but I don't see any other way to reach an ideal. IME, they don't just materialize.

Yeah, let's take 50% of your POV, 50% of my POV and I guess we are on a good way?!  

I see where you're going with some statements. "Too much to handle at one point of time" --> yes, of course.

And yes, strategy seems to have value...but you can strategize too much, too (as you said)

Also, is being in a state of "not ideal self" not already the ideal self? Imagine you are your ideal self, WTF you do then? I think we got to watch out chasing the carrot on the stick and not realizing the chase might be the goal : ) 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by theleelajoker