What Is Russia's Endgame?

[Mandrake]

6 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

6 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

You can check out these threads of mine showcasing the views of American intellectuals like Noam Chomsky and Christopher Hedges...

 

 

 

Ajay, let me say first that I believe in unification of the world as a whole – something we won’t be ready for in the next 30 years. I hope for free travel and trade someday, which does not exclude having countries, preserving culture and differences. The “West” is not a single country or entity that wants to dominate the world. Russia can be democratic, transparent and prosperous, instead of viewing NATO as a threat. But right now, there’s something bleak about watching a real dictatorship grind on while Trump looks at it like a blueprint.

Chomsky is a skilled writer who leans heavily on moral storytelling—casting the West as deceitful and the USSR as victimized. It’s emotionally compelling for some, sure, but historically thin.

Yes, Baker floated the “not one inch eastward” line in a single early conversation in 1990. But that was in the narrow context of German reunification, not some sweeping promise to freeze NATO’s borders forever. Gorbachev knew that—and later said NATO expansion beyond Germany wasn’t even on the table back then.

The actual agreement - Two Plus Four Treaty was signed by the USSR. It permitted a unified Germany in NATO, with clear limits on military deployments in the former East. No coercion. No deception. Just diplomacy, in writing.

 

If you prefer, watch this video on the topic (Gorbachev is discussed after 18:18)

https://youtu.be/7gxssycoxz0?si=QyRXGLuyi3_t0h_C

Edited July 12 by Mandrake

[Daniel Balan]

@Nilsi Great analysis of the situation! I loved it! I think you really grasp the situation! But I don't think we should underestimate Russia! Russia ain't no pushover! And you realize that in Ukraine, Russia is going up against the finest and best NATO equipment that NATO has to offer! Only the manpower is Ukrainian, all the weaponry is western. In a way Putin is fighting the entire West all at once! But if he manages to win the war in Ukraine, I think the Russians will really go against Nato to reclaim the former Warsaw pact countries! After all, this was their real goal all along! 

[Basman]

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I know it’s hard to admit, but Putin genuinely wants Ukraine. He’s been absolutely explicit about it. At the end of the day, this isn’t just some calculated strategic play - it’s a mythopoetic imperial obsession.

Russia isn't above it, for sure. Crimea after all. And they have a mythical belief in their cause similar to Al Qaeda. Russia doesn't have borders.

But the endgame is the dissolution of the West. Putin wants NATO/EU to become irrelevant. He is fighting against stage orange and above to maintain power in the grand scheme of things. It's about regime security.

Putin will prepare to test NATO commitments following Ukraine. His hope is to break up the western union. It's why there is so much propaganda and misinformation from Russia during elections, like with Brexit. 

37 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

 The biggest propaganda of all is the illusion that Russia is some serious geopolitical power that has to be contained. That’s the real red herring - meant to distract from the fact that China is the real master.

You don't have to be a superpower to be a serious threat. Russia threatens with nuclear escalation and has already killed thousands and displaced millions of people since 2022. Russia is a serious concern irrespective of China. 

[Daniel Balan]

@Basman Great analysis! I loved reading it! After Putin will have supposedly defeated Ukraine, and after he will Moldova will surrender to Putin in just a few days, If you had to make a wild guess, where would Putin give his next blow? If you were to make a guess, which Nato country would you bet Putin will try to invade to test NATO? Is it the Baltics, is it Poland, or is it Romania? Which of these 3 countries seems to be the weak link that would allow Putin a demonstration of force against NATO? 

Edited July 12 by Daniel Balan

[Basman]

46 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

 If you were to make a guess, which Nato country would you bet Putin will try to invade to test NATO? Is it the Baltics, is it Poland, or is it Romania? Which of these 3 countries seems to be the weak link that would allow Putin a demonstration of force against NATO? 

I've heard whispers of the Baltics. I don't have the knowledge to make an educated guess but definitely not Poland when there are less gangsta countries. 

I've also heard from Vlad Vexler, which is where I get most of my info from, that certain East-European countries might actually invade Russia first, but that is just a rumor. Don't take it seriously. 

[Daniel Balan]

@Basman No eastern European country would dare to take a swing at Russia! We here have collective trauma with the Russians! My honest guess is that the baltics are out of the question because the suwalki gap is one of the most militarized regions on earth, while the baltic sea is a nato lake! The baltics pose no immediate concern for the Russians. Poland, if Russia would ever dare to attack, my opinion is that the Russians would stand no chance, they would fail to even cross the border, Poland is a military powerhouse! There is only one option left, a country world wide notorious for its corruption, a weak ass corrupt military, corrupt government, pro Russian parties being really popular in that country, nostalgia for communism, and a natural barier the Russians could anchor their new frontier with the west! 

[Twentyfirst]

Only in the hypocritical West can you pretend to blame Putin for an invasion and pretend to protect a sovereign country like Ukraine while at the same time committing a genocide a couple regions over. But the Westerners actually believe in their little make believe pretend game

I don't blame Putin. The West MUST have done something to poke him. No other explanation because any other explanation requires us to believe that the pedophile and genocider West are telling the truth. I can't wait in 50 years to find out that North Korea is actually good and the West just lied about them too 

I hope Putin liberates the EU men and the EU oppressed women from the pedo mafia 🤣 One bomb at a time 😎 

JK I don't want people to die

[Mandrake]

13 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Basman No eastern European country would dare to take a swing at Russia! We here have collective trauma with the Russians! My honest guess is that the baltics are out of the question because the suwalki gap is one of the most militarized regions on earth, while the baltic sea is a nato lake! The baltics pose no immediate concern for the Russians. Poland, if Russia would ever dare to attack, my opinion is that the Russians would stand no chance, they would fail to even cross the border, Poland is a military powerhouse! There is only one option left, a country world wide notorious for its corruption, a weak ass corrupt military, corrupt government, pro Russian parties being really popular in that country, nostalgia for communism, and a natural barier the Russians could anchor their new frontier with the west! 

Nobody in Europe would want to invade Russia, even if it were easy. We’re done with revisionism and fighting over resources. Of course, there are always some minorities living in the past, but they are negligible.
Moldova is the most vulnerable—that’s where Putin would continue if he had the chance. The others are more of a wild guess. I think he’ll ramp up the information war in Eastern European countries even further, aiming to weaken NATO and EU support.

[Twentyfirst]

Putin who has sex with adult supermodels vs the EU DIDDLERS lmao. Don't take your kids to chuck e cheese or Disney world. They ain't safe from democratically elected leaders. Which democratically elected leader HASN'T sniffed or fondled little children?

If Putin is liberating women and children from the oppressive west now is your chance for freedom!!! Fight!!! Stand up to your corrupt governments and declare regime change!! It's your choice Putin is just giving you the opportunity. Save the women and children from only fans and epstiens ghost. Let Putin bomb you. It's the Iran playbook

You guys know about those colors right? Well, have you ever heard of mixing colors. Red + blue = purple but yellow + blue = green. Everyone knows purple is more developed than green so for green to become developed they need to be bombed by purple. It makes PERFECT SENSE. If you let Putin bomb you I PROMISE you you don't be so underdeveloped anymore. He may steal everything you have btw but don't worry too much about that

Edited July 15 by Twentyfirst

[Karmadhi]

Russia endgame seems to make Ukraine into another Belarus

 

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Putin who has sex with adult supermodels vs the EU DIDDLERS lmao. Don't take your kids to chuck e cheese or Disney world. They ain't safe from democratically elected leaders. Which democratically elected leader HASN'T sniffed or fondled little children?

If Putin is liberating women and children from the oppressive west now is your chance for freedom!!! Fight!!! Stand up to your corrupt governments and declare regime change!! It's your choice Putin is just giving you the opportunity. Save the women and children from only fans and epstiens ghost. Let Putin bomb you. It's the Iran playbook

You guys know about those colors right? Well, have you ever heard of mixing colors. Red + blue = purple but yellow + blue = green. Everyone knows purple is more developed than green so for green to become developed they need to be bombed by purple. It makes PERFECT SENSE. If you let Putin bomb you I PROMISE you you don't be so underdeveloped anymore. He may steal everything you have btw but don't worry too much about that

I’m so glad and also happy for you that you have this message board where you can vent about the west.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m so glad and also happy for you that you have this message board where you can vent about the west.

As opposed to venting it out on some Taylor Swift concert lmao

[Twentyfirst]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:29 PM, PurpleTree said:

I’m so glad and also happy for you that you have this message board where you can vent about the west.

How many pedophiles did you vote for in election???

So me saying that Putin has every right to upset the diddler West is me venting about the West? It's fine for you to trash everyone else in the world on this forum but if I trash the West it's suddenly a problem. For example, here on this forum you guys trash Putin but show me one photo of Putin sniffing a 10 year olds hair like Biden

You are just mad that you live in degeneracy and Russians live in normalcy. It kills you. Jealous and bitter. Russia doesn't have an end game but diddler NATO does and it's not pretty 

Edited Thursday at 03:14 AM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

@PurpleTree At what point has the west gone too far? What would need to happen for you to leave and join Putin? Like maybe if the west randomly dropped a nuke on Bhutan? You tell me the exact line that would be crossed and what would be necessary for you to be like "ya twenty first was right these guys are cuckoo, im out of here". Or will you just stay loyal no matter what?

[PurpleTree]

9 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

How many pedophiles did you vote for in election??? 

None

[PurpleTree]

6 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

@PurpleTree At what point has the west gone too far? What would need to happen for you to leave and join Putin? Like maybe if the west randomly dropped a nuke on Bhutan? You tell me the exact line that would be crossed and what would be necessary for you to be like "ya twenty first was right these guys are cuckoo, im out of here". Or will you just stay loyal no matter what?

I don’t look at the west as one block.

Let’s say in the last 70 years the US, Israel, France, UK, China, Russia have gone too far.

I would never join Putler he decimated Chechnya your Muslim brothers, he is attacking Ukraine, he is against free speech, he is kgb, he is oligarchy and establishment, he is supporting far right wingers in Europe, he is the worst boiiii

Now he also has some good sides everybody does.

[RareGodzilla]

They were clearly looking for a swift invasion that would resoult in a pro-russian ukranian goverment. With the goal to return to pre-2001 status quo. Corruption within the russian army and lack of morale coupled with suprising ukranian will to resist, with the help of full support of the west clearly hampered those plans. 

Now Putin got himself stuck in a long battle of attrition. Taking over ukraine isn't quite possible, because he can't do full wartime economy. Keep in mind that to actually occupy a city with millions of people is really not an easy thing. Winning the batle is just the first step. But at the same time backing down is also not possible as it would ensure ukranian NATO membership and make him look really weak, which might cost him his throne. At the end of the day, the russian goverment cares about themselves more than about anything else.

The notion of Russia taking on NATO is pretty ridiculus. China is clearly trying to win the long term economic war, they not going to let themsevles get dragged into a war. Russia lost in Syria, they lost in Armenia. They're not as stable as they might look, nations like Chechnya could always cecede. 

 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Twentyfirst 

17 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

How many pedophiles did you vote for in election???

The irony here is truly palpable at this point lmao

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Twentyfirst 

The irony here is truly palpable at this point lmao

I have never partook in an election in my entire life. I don't plan to either. Only fools believe in democracy 

[Twentyfirst]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I would never join Putler he decimated Chechnya your Muslim brothers,

The west has killed like 5 million muslims in the past 40 years. All propaganda against muslims come from the west

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is attacking Ukraine,

The kiddie diddling west has attacked many places. Gaza right now which are primarily children. Ukraine has weapons from superpowers

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is against free speech,

Trump wants to remove birth right citizenship against Israel critics. The UK will arrest you for memes

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is kgb,

I am sure many presidents in US used to be CIA

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is oligarchy and establishment,

Blackrock owns shares of your womens only fans accounts

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is supporting far right wingers in Europe,

He is liberating you

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

he is the worst boiiii

No the west is the worst. Thats why only the west hates Russia but everyone hates the west