Don't be Sad

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I know (⁠o⁠´⁠･⁠_⁠･⁠)⁠っ

I wanted to transcend suffering for years. 

It never worked. Only lead me to want to an hero. 

It got better for me 

The only way to trascend the suffering It's the understanding of the psychological dynamics that close us off. It's very complex because our biological programming drives us, and one of its most effective tools is suffering. Neo-Advaita shortcuts don't work; they're a trap. Our energetic structure has layers and layers of identification cemented by emotional energy. Neo-Advaita flattening is like putting a layer of plaster over those structures and thinking they're gone (you work in construction, so you understand). The only solution is to penetrate those structures, understand them, and deactivate their charge

[James123]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying there is choice; I say it all the time and even write about it that there's no free will and choice, you're saying that too but in the same breath telling someone to accept which is a call to action and requires choice. This joke is so prevalent that it's playing one on me right now because you don't even have any choice in what you're saying but I'm telling you there's no free will and choice but trying to correct you in the same breath as if you made the choice to say what you did. It's utter madness what's happening here and if we don't keep the charades going we'd die, so we keep this shit up as a way to maintain the status quo.....thoughts that is. Thats what's trying to hang on. Never mind. Say as you wish.

There is no you, however I love you.

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no you, however I love you.

That's my line. Love you too. 

[James123]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's my line. Love you too. 

😊 

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's my line. Love you too. 

Get a room.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only way to trascend the suffering It's the understanding of the psychological dynamics that close us off. It's very complex because our biological programming drives us, and one of its most effective tools is suffering. Neo-Advaita shortcuts don't work; they're a trap. Our energetic structure has layers and layers of identification cemented by emotional energy. Neo-Advaita flattening is like putting a layer of plaster over those structures and thinking they're gone (you work in construction, so you understand). The only solution is to penetrate those structures, understand them, and deactivate their charge

100% 

[Schizophonia]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only way to trascend the suffering It's the understanding of the psychological dynamics that close us off. It's very complex because our biological programming drives us, and one of its most effective tools is suffering. Neo-Advaita shortcuts don't work; they're a trap. Our energetic structure has layers and layers of identification cemented by emotional energy. Neo-Advaita flattening is like putting a layer of plaster over those structures and thinking they're gone (you work in construction, so you understand). The only solution is to penetrate those structures, understand them, and deactivate their charge

For infinity...

 

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

For infinity...

 

Yea that’s the thing. If we end suffering in this life maybe next life we’re back again with a new self , suffering . Damn man no way out of this game. Might as we’ll focus on this life it’s hard enough 

[Sugarcoat]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only way to trascend the suffering It's the understanding of the psychological dynamics that close us off. It's very complex because our biological programming drives us, and one of its most effective tools is suffering. Neo-Advaita shortcuts don't work; they're a trap. Our energetic structure has layers and layers of identification cemented by emotional energy. Neo-Advaita flattening is like putting a layer of plaster over those structures and thinking they're gone (you work in construction, so you understand). The only solution is to penetrate those structures, understand them, and deactivate their charge

I have experienced in my own experience that dissolving layers to the self gets rid of mental suffering. But physical suffering is another puzzle to solve. We have so many people nowadays with painful diseases how do we solve the problem of pain. Seems there’s no escaping it. Some say it’s the resistance to pain that causes the suffering but I’m having a hard time identifying that resistance, it’s a tough pill to swallow. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have experienced in my own experience that dissolving layers to the self gets rid of mental suffering. But physical suffering is another puzzle to solve. We have so many people nowadays with painful diseases how do we solve the problem of pain. Seems there’s no escaping it. Some say it’s the resistance to pain that causes the suffering but I’m having a hard time identifying that resistance, it’s a tough pill to swallow. 

Theres no such thing as physical suffering.  There is pain and there is suffering.  Two different things.  Ask a guy with ALS if he's euffering...he'll tell you its not the outlook he wants to have on life.

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Theres no such thing as physical suffering.  There is pain and there is suffering.  Two different things.  Ask a guy with ALS if he's euffering...he'll tell you its not the outlook he wants to have on life.

I am member in forums where people vent about their diseases and pain. So it seems those that claim they’re not suffering are exceptions. I try to have open mind to possibility of transcending pain but it seems extremely difficult to do.

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea that’s the thing. If we end suffering in this life maybe next life we’re back again with a new self , suffering . Damn man no way out of this game. Might as we’ll focus on this life it’s hard enough 

It's basically the story of my "mentor"; he was quite disgusted by life, its brutality unfairness etc and wanted to use spirituality as a way of understanding always more and possibly never come back to earth; now he basically capitulated become more of a "normie".

Some spiritual school including buddhism for exemple say we can stop "samsara wheel", reincarnation process or at least transcend forever the limits of the ego but idk if it's true.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am member in forums where people vent about their diseases and pain. So it seems those that claim they’re not suffering are exceptions. I try to have open mind to possibility of transcending pain but it seems extremely difficult to do.

It can be transcended.  I'm not saying i suffer from chronic pain but if you do that is a different type of suffering.  It's not a psychological suffering or torment.  A person can live with that.  Psychological torment is far worse.   Again I'm not saying I have to deal with chronic pain but in most cases that can be fixed.   Mental suffering is something far more complex

 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It can be transcended.  I'm not saying i suffer from chronic pain but if you do that is a different type of suffering.  It's not a psychological suffering or torment.  A person can live with that.  Psychological torment is far worse.   Again I'm not saying I have to deal with chronic pain but in most cases that can be fixed.   Mental suffering is something far more complex

 

I think physical pain can be equally as bad as mental, just depends on the degree. Yea it’s best to try to heal it. But in cases it can’t be healed the possibility of transcendence/acceptance can be explored. I recently saw a YouTube video of a guy with trigeminal neuralgia aka “suicide disease “ (one of the most painful conditions) who transcended his suffering through extreme mindfulness practice. It’s incredible but the caveat seems to be that it’s very difficult to attain. Shinzen young whom he studied talks about it

[Sugarcoat]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It's basically the story of my "mentor"; he was quite disgusted by life, its brutality unfairness etc and wanted to use spirituality as a way of understanding always more and possibly never come back to earth; now he basically capitulated become more of a "normie".

Some spiritual school including buddhism for exemple say we can stop "samsara wheel", reincarnation process or at least transcend forever the limits of the ego but idk if it's true.

Yea who knows what is true. I agree with him I’ve always since young age been very disturbed by all the suffering that exists. Recently I’ve been introduced to the idea about how resistance contributes to or even causes the suffering. Shinzen young talks about it. It’s a tough pill to swallow but it would be cool if there exists legit ways to overcome suffering. That’s everyone’s goal at the end of the day as humans in this form.

[Sugarcoat]

Why you say allah in particular?

[Sugarcoat]

20 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat For human relation suffering Instead of saying I love everyone say I hate everyone. Suffering is extinguished except for pain. If someone is rude say I hate this person if someone is nice say I hate this person.

You dont even have to beleive it just say it and you will be freed from human relation suffering.

I don’t have human relation suffering anymore 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think physical pain can be equally as bad as mental, just depends on the degree. Yea it’s best to try to heal it. But in cases it can’t be healed the possibility of transcendence/acceptance can be explored. I recently saw a YouTube video of a guy with trigeminal neuralgia aka “suicide disease “ (one of the most painful conditions) who transcended his suffering through extreme mindfulness practice. It’s incredible but the caveat seems to be that it’s very difficult to attain. Shinzen young whom he studied talks about it

Yeah I guess they are both anguish in their own way.  Yet mental suffering would seem much more difficult to untangle because it is often not surface level.  With surface level pain at least you are not in the hell of your own mind.

 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah I guess they are both anguish in their own way.  Yet mental suffering would seem much more difficult to untangle because it is often not surface level.  With surface level pain at least you are not in the hell of your own mind.

 

It can both be hard to treat yea..

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It can both be hard to treat yea..

In both cases you have to shut off a part of the mind to stop the suffering.  You don't have to treat it directly.  That's why through deep meditation you can release both types of suffering.  Both physical and mental source from the ego.  What mindfulness meditation aims to do is to shut off that part of the ego completely.  If it's nullified there is no suffering.  But then what is there, just raw Being.  Think about this...on top of raw Being what we really are doing as egos is suffering.  Like you said - for everyone there is a certain degree.   But really it's all suffering.   There are moments of pleasure but that's why people turn to drugs and alcohol.  To stop the suffering.  If the degree is low enough you can get by.  But once it gets intense you have to find some mechanism.