Free will vs determinism episode

[Kyle Gjerseth]

I watched Leo's older video called "free will vs determinism" and I feel lost and I'm not sure what to do with this information about how we have 0% control over our behavior. I understand that this insight should lead to a type of surrender and that it is meant to be a positive thing. Can somebody explain to me how I can surrender knowing that I have 0% control over my actions?

 

Thanks for your time

[Princess Arabia]

42 minutes ago, Kyle Gjerseth said:

I watched Leo's older video called "free will vs determinism" and I feel lost and I'm not sure what to do with this information about how we have 0% control over our behavior. I understand that this insight should lead to a type of surrender and that it is meant to be a positive thing. Can somebody explain to me how I can surrender knowing that I have 0% control over my actions?

 

Thanks for your time

Exactly. Can't have any control and then surrender. Surrender is crap. Another Spiritual mumbo jumbo. No one surrenders. Life is just being life and that's all there is to it. Those that think they're surrendering is life still doing that. One can believe they're surrendering all they want, it's life being life. There's nothing to surrender to. 

[Razard86]

You do have control its just limited. Also it depends on which identity your speaking as. You as God are literally Free Will itself. You then give up Free Will to experience limited free will. Unless you are paralyzed you experience the free will to make decisions. The only thing is the human has limited ability to  create without help. Proper food, shelter, education, and environment. Without the proper environment.....opportunities don't exist. 

So as God you are Free Will and Free Will chose to be pure love of Infinity. Pure Self Love. But the human identity is limited free will.

Edited June 30 by Razard86

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You do have control its just limited. Also it depends on which identity your speaking as. You as God are literally Free Will itself. You then give up Free Will to experience limited free will. Unless you are paralyzed you experience the free will to make decisions. The only thing is the human has limited ability to  create without help. Proper food, shelter, education, and environment. Without the proper environment.....opportunities don't exist. 

So as God you are Free Will and Free Will chose to be pure love of Infinity. Pure Self Love. But the human identity is limited free will.

That's true but the video he is referring to is about the illusion of ego. There is no "little you" inside your brain giving orders to the body . How do you wake up every morning?  Do you will it or it just happens? 

[MVPJOURNEY]

Depends on your concept of surrender in this context?

When "i" hear surrender in this context, my thought patterns (at this point in my journey - it was different before) take me towards a conceptual understanding that each movement leads to the next (Whatever sense awareness points at in a particular moment forces the next movement). If I track it back to birth and see that my circmstances at birth, combined with my up to date conditioning (Moment by moment) resulted in the next movement, am i really in control? If not then who I am? Am I the movement? Perhaps not.

 

There are obviously lot's of ways people can misinterpret what's being said in that video and use it to add to the movement in a negative way, if that happens I would say it goes against what you are looking for. Not wrong, just not aligned with why you asked the question. 

[Salvijus]

If Will didn't exist, then there would be no existence. Since there is no seperation, that Will that birthed the entire universe is your will also. 

Edited July 1 by Salvijus

[MVPJOURNEY]

@Salvijus This "now", this "canvas" that has unfolding playing out. Why do we need to assume it once had a will which started everything? And that it wasn't always moving? (Or more accurately that it wasn't always still - yet creations emerged). To say it willed this entity/universe into existence feels a step overlayed with a thought? Isn't it more accurate to say we don't know ultimate truth on how things emerge but we can know "now".

[Salvijus]

58 minutes ago, MVPJOURNEY said:

Why do we need to assume it once had a will which started everything?

It wasn't once. It's an ever present will. The will of love that creates everything. That will is something you can become concious of as it is manifesting through you. That will is your true will. 

Edited July 1 by Salvijus

[MVPJOURNEY]

Just to confirm you can't break it down further into something someone with a lower conciousness state might be able to grasp? Not disagreeing, just hard to relate to what you are saying.

It felt like in the first post you stated that Will birthed the entire universe, which implies a starting point. Now you are saying it's ever present. Is it a feeling you have? I understand reality is love for example, from an experience. I have also overlayed a conceptual understanding of that which decribes the experience i had, which is relevant to me but could be totally meaingless to someone who hasn't had the experience. Do you have a similar conceptual understanding of Will that is manifesting through you that you can share to see if i can grasp it?

[Salvijus]

16 minutes ago, MVPJOURNEY said:

I understand reality is love for example

Love is a creative energy. Nothing happens unless love inspires the happening. The will of love is everything that you see around you. That will is also you. 

[gettoefl]

Do I control my body? No, it is doing trillions of things I know not and I influence not. Yet if I eat good my body will be measurably good over time compared to otherwise. I thus have some free will. I can't do much but I can do a little and a little compounds greatly. Those who say there isn't free will are forcing you to see that unlike what the world teaches everyone life is by and large out of your hands. Society needs you to believe you have free will else it collapses. It lies.

[gettoefl]

The interesting question is, can I give up the little free will I have. This is spiritual work, surrender. Of course that takes use of free will too. Then God's will is possible. So spiritual work is readying oneself for God to be God instead of me.

[Razard86]

On 6/30/2025 at 2:52 PM, Someone here said:

That's true but the video he is referring to is about the illusion of ego. There is no "little you" inside your brain giving orders to the body . How do you wake up every morning?  Do you will it or it just happens? 

The whole of everything controls everything. It just happens on its own the same way your heart beats.

[Breakingthewall]

The form is limited and created by the flow of infinite forms, but at the same time its essence is unlimited expansion, its thrust is the thrust of reality, and although it is conditioned by all existence, it in turn pushes all existence and emits butterfly effects that vibrate in the totality and because it's creative power is the creative power of reality 

Edited July 2 by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

On 02/07/2025 at 7:56 PM, Razard86 said:

. It just happens on its own the same way your heart beats.

So is that something you have a say in or not ?

[James123]

On 6/29/2025 at 4:43 AM, Kyle Gjerseth said:

I watched Leo's older video called "free will vs determinism" and I feel lost and I'm not sure what to do with this information about how we have 0% control over our behavior. I understand that this insight should lead to a type of surrender and that it is meant to be a positive thing. Can somebody explain to me how I can surrender knowing that I have 0% control over my actions?

 

Thanks for your time

Let go.