Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

There will always be life stuff happening, if that's what you mean.  It wouldn't be interesting otherwise.

I feel it's more than just "stuff". The evolution of mankind is a thing I take to heart. That produces a lot of suffering, but very deep satisfaction, too.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

I feel it's more than just "stuff". The evolution of mankind is a thing I take to heart. That produces a lot of suffering, but very deep satisfaction, too.

As long as we don't end up like this:

 

[vibv]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

As long as we don't end up like this:

 

Well, I don't want to promise anything 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

"End unnecessary suffering".

The title of this thread! Lol

Many people here are trying hard not to suffer. This is a very real and common trap. It's very counter-intuitive because the more you try to not suffer, the more you'll suffer from failing at it.

As spiritual people, our superego tells us: "You shouldn't be suffering this much, you're the spiritual one! What's wrong with you?! You should be better than this. You should be like that monk who lit himself on fire."

Okay Leo, in the dream of the personal I , it’s unwise to try to end suffering. Suffering isn’t personal, but sufferings effect is quite palpable within the sensory organisms awareness, it is real enough, but not personal, so yes, it’s just better to be okay with it, rather than to try end it, like one could possibly do that, in the same context one can’t end their blood from being pumped around the body by the heart. 
 

 I personally don’t believe Ralston was talking about ending suffering literally, I think he was referring to the personal ownership of suffering. Even the personal ownership of suffering can be okay with it knowing that everything with a nervous system feels the same suffering making the suffering less personal and more bearable, even endurable.

 

I once heard a story about a woman who was being beaten to a pulp by her jealous lover, she survived thankfully and recalled after feeling much pain in the beginnings of the beating, after a while she said she just stopped feeling the pain, or the body just filtered the pain out altogether. I find that quite interesting tbh. Obviously one would have to have this experience for it to be proven. But if that’s what she says, and it’s true then maybe there’s a limited threshold of pain that the body endures before it shuts down the pain completely.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 I personally don’t believe Ralston was talking about ending suffering literally, I think he was referring to the personal ownership of suffering.

I know what he is talking about. But that is irrelevant because most people will not be able to do it.

He is like Henry Cavill telling you: "Just walk up and ask for her number, bro. It works for me."

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I know what he is talking about. But that is irrelevant because most people will  ot be able to do it.

He is like Henry Cavill telling you: "Just walk up and ask for her number, bro. It works for me."

But probably those people who will not be able to do it are not even listening to people such as the likes of the Ralston’s among us. Most people I know have no interest in spiritual awakening.

 

People already have the intelligence to understand what works for them and don’t need someone else to tell them what works for them. If people are interested in the message mouthpiece of Ralston, then it’s up to the listener to take away from the message by making up their own mind about what they are hearing, where they can make their own informed decision as to whether what they are hearing works for them or not, not to just believe or take Ralston’s word for it, literally.

Kind of like a try before you buy thingy. This is obvious.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

But probably those people who will not be able to do it are not even listening to people such as the likes of the Ralston’s among us.

That's not true at all.

Most people who listen to Ralston will not be able to do 5% of what he does.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not true at all.

Most people who listen to Ralston will not be able to do 5% of what he does.

Probably because they’re not him. People can only be the person they are being, not someone else. 
 

What Ralston does is down to his own capacity to understand himself. Others can do the same with their own self. 
 

To compare your own understanding of yourself with others has never crossed my mind, so those who try to compare themselves with what others do, is just plain dumb imo.
 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Miguel1]

@Mellowmarsh The point is that Peter is a genetic freak, which most people are not.

[Jirh]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

BTW it took me about 9 years or so to get over that person.

🤯🤯🤯

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh The point is that Peter is a genetic freak, which most people are not.

Okay, but I have listened to these freaks, but the freak doesn’t concern me, it’s the message I pay more attention to, the words used are like tool that come in many shapes and forms, all from the same toolbox. But it is only I who ultimately chooses to decide which tool is useful for me when it comes to my own personal self understanding. My point is, all of us who are seeking self understanding, reach a recognition that the tools in the toolbox belongs to all of us, not just one person. 

[Miguel1]

@Mellowmarsh I can train as hard or even harder using the same tools Lionel Messi used, and will never come close to as good as he was in his peak.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh I can train as hard or even harder using the same tools Lionel Messi used, and will never come close to as good as he was in his peak.

But you are talking about the physical appearance of the body, and the named label attached or identified with that body.

I agree no one else can be Ralston, there’s only Ralston being Ralston, without doubt or error.

Now if we were to talk about my body, then I could say the same thing. I could say no one else was as good as me when I was at my peak. Anyone with a physical body can say no one else will be as good or reach the level of peakness that I have.

 

It’s pointless trying to compare yourself to others, when we’re all our own unique never to be repeated sparks of the same flame so to speak. 

 

[Miguel1]

@Mellowmarsh the potential of consciousness work is infinitely higher than the potential of physical work.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh the potential of consciousness work is infinitely higher than the potential of physical work.

Yes I understand that, but all those higher conscious experiences are just what’s happening within the physical body that is conscious of them. 
Only consciousness is experiencing these experiences as and when the experience is happening to consciousness. Consciousness then, can describe its experience simply because it’s capable of witnessing them happening to it.

 

From the perspective of the consciousness here as and through the experience of Mellowmarsh, that’s the only consciousness happening. And from the perspective of the consciousness there as and through the experience of Miguel , that’s the only consciousness that’s happening.

Leo has already explained this in his Solipsism video.

[Miguel1]

@Mellowmarsh You are getting unnecessarily philosophical.

It comes down to this: if you don’t have the right genes, you wouldn’t be a human being. And if you don’t have the right genes, you will never be nearly as conscious as Peter, no matter how much you try.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh You are getting unnecessarily philosophical.

It comes down to this: if you don’t have the right genes, you wouldn’t be a human being. And if you don’t have the right genes, you will never be nearly as conscious as Peter, no matter how much you try.

How stupid this is, and you are mod?

@Leo Gura this place should turn from kinda garden to real spiritual work place.

It is not reaching, or being conscious so high, it is Being what You always are.

Everyone has it. Either you fucking Be or lost yourself in experiences and thoughts, that's all. 

[Miguel1]

@James123 Behave respectfully.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@James123 Behave respectfully.

Disrespect is telling fuck or talking about the stuff, you have not even clue about, which is liying itself?

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh You are getting unnecessarily philosophical.

It comes down to this: if you don’t have the right genes, you wouldn’t be a human being. And if you don’t have the right genes, you will never be nearly as conscious as Peter, no matter how much you try.

But I’m seriously not even desiring to be as conscious as Ralston. I’m just absolutely content being me, and that’s enough, thanks. Ralston is not immune to the inevitable consequences of being a natural living cellular organism. 
If he’s Levi then I’m happy to be Primark. I might be Levi in my next earthly adventure, who knows, and who actually cares.I’ll always be what I am, and will never be not what I am.