How to get meditation to work: deconstruction

[James123]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Was it that easy for you?

Witnessing is the key. I was ready to die 😊. So wasn't that difficult.

[kbone]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Witnessing is the key. I was ready to die 😊. So wasn't that difficult.

Aah yes, the School of Necessity. How would you describe witnessing and its value? Did you just automagically start witnessing one day, live a life of harmony, joy and witnessing, and suddenly wake up and Realize?

 

[Keryo Koffa]

5 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Just Die. It's that simple.

They'd probably mess up dying, because they'd be too busy deconstructing the process.

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, James123 said:

Witnessing is the key. I was ready to die 😊. So wasn't that difficult.

"I was ready to die", "it was not that difficult". Those two can be conjoined only by extreme sarcasm or covert narcissism (or frontal lobe dementia).

 

8 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Just Die. It's that simple.

"Just die" is the cream of the crop of what makes spirituality an accessible and ethically consciable endevor #NeoAdvaitaRotMyBrain

Spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless, the normal to the divine, the immanent to the transcendent. That requires informing about specific content in detail. You don't get far by "just be", "just witness", "just die". Even if you're "only" doing those things while in the non-dual state, you have to have severe retrograde amnesia if you think that was the only thing you ever did on your path to that state.

That is really the only thing Neo-Advaita is: a spirituality for spiritual teachers with retrograde amnesia, and an absolutistic / contentless approach to the letting go process. You're essentially just saying "let go" while disregarding any specifics that could possibly inform that letting go process.

Edited June 18 by Carl-Richard

[James123]

6 hours ago, kbone said:

Aah yes, the School of Necessity. How would you describe witnessing and its value? Did you just automagically start witnessing one day, live a life of harmony, joy and witnessing, and suddenly wake up and Realize?

 

So called mind is just not take place. Everything works automatically. There is no need to touch. The value is you suffering doesn't make place, the moment is You. Therefore, bliss and peace is inevitable. 

The so called self (I) suffered a lot and can not take more. I started to watch the thoughts, after some time realization happened that me and thoughts are separate and not attached. One day, I completely forget everything that I know of at that moment thinker is vanished, and realization happened that nothing has take place whatsoever, it was only just attachment with so called thoughts, which creates the so called thinker, universe, life or death. Since than, I do not bothered or attach by so called thoughts.

36 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Those two can be conjoined only by extreme sarcasm or covert narcissism (or frontal lobe dementia).

Suffering takes major role. Self kills itself inevitably. 

[Eskilon]

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Ask Leo if he is in a non-dual state right now.

What Leo has to do with anything ? Aren't you a sovereign mind?

 

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Meditation is like going to the gym. You target specific muscles, you break them down, and then after the gym, you rest and grow.

Meditation has to be done everywhere for you to be really transformed, like the zen masters says. 

 

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Of course you have to let go of letting go if letting go is the only game in town 😉

Haha, nice try, but since I am GOD here`s one for you:

Public class NiceTryCarl{

public boolean truth = true;

public boolean carlExists = true;

public static boolean goingMetaOnCarlForever(){

 return truth;

}

public static void main(String[] args) {
 

while(carlExist){

System.out.println("Let it go Carl"); 

 goingMetaOnCarlForever();

}

}

}

[Eskilon]

6 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

They'd probably mess up dying, because they'd be too busy deconstructing the process.

Doctor: "You are dying my son, and I can't do anything about it. Want to say something?"

Carl: "Silence! I'm deconstructing what Death is".

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless, the normal to the divine, the immanent to the transcendent

This assumes that you have accessed the formless and know what Death is. Hate to break to you, but even the majority of the forum members here have no clue what that is -- let alone the majority of mankind. Most people are Seekers, they haven't arrived, nor will they arrive in one lifetime. They are not realized ones. So your statement here is not so accurate.

 

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You don't get far by "just be", "just witness", "just die"

It might sound simplistically to an ego full of intellect, but it really is that simple, Death is not complicated. Stop intellectualizing Death. Various spiritual masters said they cant believe how they have missed awakening -- it was here the whole time, they just need to look, to be. This is not Neo-Advaita, you wont reach it through self-inquiry at the age of 23.  Simple doesn't mean easy.

Edited June 18 by Eskilon

[Keryo Koffa]

58 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Doctor: "You are dying my son, and I can't do anything about it. Want to say something?"

Carl: "Silence! I'm deconstructing what Death is".

"Pulse getting slower, breath more shallow, noises are starting to get inversely proportional to fading focus,
Is this an OBE? Not yet, but what is death, or life anyway? So then I'd say my consciousness is slipping, but
that's just a word, and what it mentions, incommunicable? No, it is, but that's... telepathy, always was...
I see gestalts... shadows in my periphery, are they the afterglow of a deteriorating memory context and
am I making them up, or are they beings from beyond? I suppose the difference is quite imaginary without
an epistemically sound way to discern and prove the difference, but that means utilizing arbitrary constructs,
I feel so light, and everything is so bright, not unlike I imagined it but so far removed from all my experience
used to have access to. Am I still bound to this place, can paralysis demons show up at this point, I wonder
what entities will show up, or whether I'll levitate in nothingness, I guess I would know if I cared to actually
stop thinking and started actually perceiving whatever is going on right now, but I'm just so excited about
epistemology. After all, I gotta be humble in the afterlife, right? I for sure don't wanna be incarnated again."

[Eskilon]

15 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

"Pulse getting slower, breath more shallow, noises are starting to get inversely proportional to fading focus,
Is this an OBE? Not yet, but what is death, or life anyway? So then I'd say my consciousness is slipping, but
that's just a word, and what it mentions, incommunicable? No, it is, but that's... telepathy, always was...
I see gestalts... shadows in my periphery, are they the afterglow of a deteriorating memory context and
am I making them up, or are they beings from beyond? I suppose the difference is quite imaginary without
an epistemically sound way to discern and prove the difference, but that means utilizing arbitrary constructs,
I feel so light, and everything is so bright, not unlike I imagined it but so far removed from all my experience
used to have access to. Am I still bound to this place, can paralysis demons show up at this point, I wonder
what entities will show up, or whether I'll levitate in nothingness, I guess I would know if I cared to actually
stop thinking and started actually perceiving whatever is going on right now, but I'm just so excited about
epistemology. After all, I gotta be humble in the afterlife, right? I for sure don't wanna be incarnated again."

LMAAAO

[Oppositionless]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"I was ready to die", "it was not that difficult". Those two can be conjoined only by extreme sarcasm or covert narcissism (or frontal lobe dementia).

 

"Just die" is the cream of the crop of what makes spirituality an accessible and ethically consciable endevor #NeoAdvaitaRotMyBrain

Spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless, the normal to the divine, the immanent to the transcendent. That requires informing about specific content in detail. You don't get far by "just be", "just witness", "just die". Even if you're "only" doing those things while in the non-dual state, you have to have severe retrograde amnesia if you think that was the only thing you ever did on your path to that state.

 

Yes I should clarify when I say "Just Die" what I mean is do something so extreme you have no choice but to die. Not just sit on your ass for 20 minutes a day or even contemplate all day . If you do something sufficiently hardcore (and there are levels to that, 7 day meditation retreat vs Leo's 30 days of 5 meo dmt) it would be hard not to die.

[James123]

36 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Yes I should clarify when I say "Just Die" what I mean is do something so extreme you have no choice but to die. Not just sit on your ass for 20 minutes a day or even contemplate all day . If you do something sufficiently hardcore (and there are levels to that, 7 day meditation retreat vs Leo's 30 days of 5 meo dmt) it would be hard not to die.

There was Jewish a girl in Nazi camp. She tried get out however, she couldn't. One day, she convinced that she will never be able to get out and die in that camp. At that time, realization of enlightenment happens.

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

This assumes that you have accessed the formless and know what Death is. Hate to break to you, but even the majority of the forum members here have no clue what that is -- let alone the majority of mankind. Most people are Seekers, they haven't arrived, nor will they arrive in one lifetime. They are not realized ones. So your statement here is not so accurate.

If only realized people can do spiritual practice, that's a funny definition. Spiritual practice starts when you look around at the spiritual traditions and your spiritual community and also your intuition and you conclude there is something there, and then you seek. The seeking involves certain activities which are not moot. They have an effect. But these things happen in form, as a being believing it has to do certain things. But getting there is about entering the formless. So spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless.

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

It might sound simplistically to an ego full of intellect, but it really is that simple, Death is not complicated. Stop intellectualizing Death. Various spiritual masters said they cant believe how they have missed awakening -- it was here the whole time, they just need to look, to be. This is not Neo-Advaita, you wont reach it through self-inquiry at the age of 23.  Simple doesn't mean easy.

Why is it not easy?

Edited June 18 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

What Leo has to do with anything ? Aren't you a sovereign mind?

30 days of 5-MeO-DMT does not necessarily lead to Enlightenment.

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Meditation has to be done everywhere for you to be really transformed, like the zen masters says.

That's one way to do it, but it risks creating too much attachment and patterns that need to be deconstructed, and you have no place to integrate those deconstructions, because you're always busy chasing, constantly grasping, shifting your focus, never relaxing.

 

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Haha, nice try, but since I am GOD here`s one for you:

Public class NiceTryCarl{

public boolean truth = true;

public boolean carlExists = true;

public static boolean goingMetaOnCarlForever(){

 return truth;

}

public static void main(String[] args) {
 

while(carlExist){

System.out.println("Let it go Carl"); 

 goingMetaOnCarlForever();

}

}

}

You want me to ask ChatGPT o4 mini-high to take a dump on your face with even more impressive code or should we leave it at that? 🙂‍↔️

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

LMAAAO

22 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

🫵 want me to x 💬GPT 𝕠⁴ ⬇️⬆️ to take a 💩 on your 😵‍💫 with 🎉➕ impressive {} or should 👥 🔙 it at that? 🙂‍↔️

@Eskilon, more like 𝕏🦁, just AskElon, sorry had too much Elonita Muskaria Awakenin𝕩.

Edited June 18 by Keryo Koffa

[Eskilon]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If only realized people can do spiritual practice, that's a funny definition. You look around at the spiritual traditions and your spiritual community and also your intuition and you conclude there is something there, and then you seek. The seeking involves certain activities which are not moot. They have an effect. But these things happen in form, as a being believing it has to do certain things. But getting there is about entering the formless. So spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless.

 

I didn't mean it like that. The seeker must believe that the formless exist, it involves faith. Or he can be agnostic about it and simply don't say anything about it but remain open -- not believing nor disbelieving. 

I just have problems with you saying " Spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless" the word linking here assumes that one knows what is linking what and what that means. The seeker doesn't know that, but he listens and stay open-minded because he is commited to know. This is one of the reasons Buddha avoided saying what happens when you reach nibbana -- it will only pollute the seeker's mind and slow his process. 

A true mature realized spiritual teacher gives only methods, without polluting the seeker's minds with expectations, notions, concepts, rewards and such. That teacher won't say that Brahman is, what formless is, what Love is; he will give you methods and remain in silence about it -- even though he himself has experienced those things.

[Eskilon]

21 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why is it not easy?

Well, just look around you vr experience. How many buddhas do you see? 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Doctor: "You are dying my son, and I can't do anything about it. Want to say something?"

Carl: "Silence! I'm deconstructing what Death is".

That's Leo's intellectualized deconstruction. For deconstruction to work for Enlightenment, it must be grocked in your very being.

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Well, just look around you vr experience. How many buddhas do you see? 

So the reason it's not easy is because it's not easy. Great. You were close, but the answer is: they are busy constructing instead of deconstructing. Constructing is easy, deconstructing is hard.

Edited June 18 by Carl-Richard

[Eskilon]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You were close, but the answer is: they are busy constructing instead of deconstructing. Constructing is easy, deconstructing is hard.

If only it were so easy. Do you think monks are not great at deconstructing? And yet, most of them are seekers and not Buddhas.

Buddha himself had to do 6 years of intense austerity and discipline. Mahavira was 12 years of that and even harsher with himself. Now, do you think the average monk and practioner in this day and age lmao -- can just grok Being by deconstructing? heh

Edited June 18 by Eskilon