Vit-D Deficiency causes Time-Dilation

[Sugarcoat]

@UnbornTao I edited my response 

[UnbornTao]

@Sugarcoat same.

[Sugarcoat]

15 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I've actually had experiences like this, when you just stop doing stupid things with your mind.

In the meantime, I'll suffer the fact that I've failed to fully eliminate self-imposed suffering.

I’m kinda in the same boat id say. There’s several mental problems I don’t have anymore, although one I still have

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

right i'm happy you made this distinction.

But explain why, I still experience that when there is a faster frame rate with moment to moment time dilation going up (more conscious, less brain fog) = time still passes slower.

There's another distinction that has to be made, what do you think it is?

I'm describing time passing slower when the frame rate goes up = more conscious + less brain fog from vitamin D correction.

The lower the frame rate, time passes extremely fast, the whole day is a blur, you're in a fog.

I've heard a story of a guy who was extremely sick lying in bed, and he saw the sun rise and set incredibly fast, like his frame rate was completely out of wack. So it seems like poor health can increase frame rate by a lot (frame rate as in how fast the movie plays).

I think when in good health (and in a good mood), each moment feels "fuller", but at the same time, time also passes quickly. It's maybe not something that is easily captured by words. This is a very nuanced phenomenological territory.

The problem could indeed be trying to divide the experience of time into a chronological notion and not looking at it more as a informational quality (again, "fullness").

Maybe the way to think about it is that the frame rate increases but also each frame expands. The way we define a frame (or an event) is a bit arbitrary, and actually you can keep dividing each separate event into smaller pieces indefinitely. So when you're more healthy, you capture more of each event, each event becomes more sub-events, and even though each event passes by more quickly, you have to move through more sub-events as well.

What the sick person lying in bed must be doing is just removing a lot of sub-events or contracting the fullness of each frame.

By the way, take what I said with a grain of salt because I'm ironically horribly sleep deprived, I'm not quite able to assess whether it makes sense (I don't even know where my frame rate is at 😂).

Edited June 13 by Carl-Richard

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

You cant enjoy suffering right? Because it goes against the very definition. Or is there a sort of mind trick?

Reframing problems into challenges, effort into virtue, discomfort into sensual exploration and tolerance expansion.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

 

@Carl-Richard 

My experience of time perception and general understanding mirrors yours. I don't have much to add, only that for my unique experience: time slows for events entangled with negativity - and also for adrenaline fuelled events. The enhanced focus of adrenaline appears to tap into higher frame rate. Enjoyment, pleasure and no task switching speed time perception up.

This topic probably deserves its own thread, as perception of time and how events change that perception could be spoken on for eons ☺️

Edited June 13 by Natasha Tori Maru

[integral]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I've heard a story of a guy who was extremely sick lying in bed, and he saw the sun rise and set incredibly fast, like his frame rate was completely out of wack. So it seems like poor health can increase frame rate by a lot (frame rate as in how fast the movie plays).

I think when in good health (and in a good mood), each moment feels "fuller", but at the same time, time also passes quickly. It's maybe not something that is easily captured by words. This is a very nuanced phenomenological territory.

The problem could indeed be trying to divide the experience of time into a chronological notion and not looking at it more as a informational quality (again, "fullness").

Maybe the way to think about it is that the frame rate increases but also each frame expands. The way we define a frame (or an event) is a bit arbitrary, and actually you can keep dividing each separate event into smaller pieces indefinitely. So when you're more healthy, you capture more of each event, each event becomes more sub-events, and even though each event passes by more quickly, you have to move through more sub-events as well.

What the sick person lying in bed must be doing is just removing a lot of sub-events or contracting the fullness of each frame.

By the way, take what I said with a grain of salt because I'm ironically horribly sleep deprived, I'm not quite able to assess whether it makes sense (I don't even know where my frame rate is at 😂).

In a video game when you increase frame rates you have more frames in a smaller period of time. 30 fps -> 60 fps -> 120 fps. The way I'm thinking about it is that more frame rate would mean more information per second.

or Experiences per second (eps) or fullness per second (fps).

If someone is experiencing the rise and fall of the Sun instantly then he has huge gaps between each frame. Basically he has 1 frame per minute. or 1 experience per minute. lol

For example people that take salvia will say that they lived an entire lifetime in a minute. so Experiences per second was like 1000x normal. They had 100000s of experiences condensed in 1 second. 

So the more conscious you are = more experiences per second.

When you're asleep experiences per second = 0. Time passes instantly. Because you're unconscious, off.

If we could condense a million experiences in a single second, then that second will feel super long.

lmao

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By the way, take what I said with a grain of salt because I'm ironically horribly sleep deprived, I'm not quite able to assess whether it makes sense (I don't even know where my frame rate is at 😂).

lmao you got that chatgpt hallucination writing style, even when its wrong its so convincing in its delivery  

Edited June 13 by integral

[integral]

@Carl-Richard But okay I get I think what you were saying is that the quality of every moment is higher and so it feels like the day is going by slower

but if the quality of the experience was lower like the guy who is sick, then the day feels like it past super fast

[integral]

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Below is a “walk-through” of what current neuroscience can say about those dramatic Salvia divinorum reports—“I lived a whole life in five minutes.” I’ll break it into (1) what the drug is doing in the brain, (2) why that neurochemistry scrambles the normal machinery that anchors us in clock time, and (3) how the brain then reconstructs the episode as an entire lifetime when the user comes back.

1. Pharmacology in ten seconds

FactWhy it matters

Active molecule = salvinorin AWorld’s only naturally-occurring, non-nitrogenous hallucinogen.

Receptor target = κ-opioid receptor (KOR), densest in the claustrum, insula and deep prefrontal layers(en.wikipedia.org)KOR activation sharply inhibits cortical integration hubs that normally knit sights, sounds, body signals—and time stamps—into a single model of “now.”

PharmacokineticsInhaled salvinorin A reaches the brain in <10 s, peaks by ~2 min, is mostly gone by 15 min(pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov). The subjective storm is brief but violent.

Network effect (fMRI)Default Mode Network connectivity collapses even harder than with LSD or psilocybin(wired.com), while sensory “gates” close so tightly that external input is almost shut off(pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov).

Result: within a breath you have an offline brain, still conscious but decoupled from the external clock.

2. What happens to the internal “clock”?

2.1 Timing circuits lose their pacemaker

The sense of duration in normal waking life is stitched together by fronto-striatal loops (dopamine-driven “ticks”) and the cerebellum (error-correction). KOR activation suppresses dopamine release and throttles activity in those very loops, so the central pacemaker sputters. With few or no “beats,” the present moment no longer has a stable length.

2.2 Event boundaries disappear

Because incoming sight-sound-body cues are gated, there are no external landmarks (sunlight, posture shifts, speech) to reset the clock. The brain’s event-segmentation system—roughly, “where one episode ends and the next begins”—goes into free-run mode. Laboratory work shows that when boundaries are sparse or ambiguous, people judge intervals by how many internal events they can later recall, not by elapsed seconds(frontiersin.org).

2.3 Memory gets written in high resolution

Stress studies (free-fall, car accidents) show the illusion of slow motion comes from richer encoding, not faster perception: the denser the memory trace, the longer the moment seems in retrospect(journals.plos.org). Salvinorin A produces the densest possible trace—vivid multisensory scenes plus intense emotion—while real time is only trickling by.

3. Putting it together: “a lifetime in minutes”

Seconds 0-10 Drug hits KOR-rich claustrum ➜ the “binding” center for conscious scenes lets go. External reality fades; body ownership may vanish.

Seconds 10-120 With external input muted, the Default Mode Network and hippocampus generate unconstrained narrative imagery—sometimes coherent (childhood to old age), sometimes fantastical. Each imagined episode is tagged as its own memory.

Minutes 2-6 Dozens or hundreds of those internally generated “events” pile up while the cortical stopwatch is almost idle.

Return to baseline (~6-10 min) Blood levels fall; sensory gating reopens; the pacemaker resumes. The user now faces an archive that looks like years of living because the brain counts events, not wall-clock seconds, when judging how long something felt.

Think of it as writing a novel at super-speed on a computer with its system clock paused: when the clock restarts, the file’s word-count makes it look as though weeks of typing must have passed, even though the timestamp says “10 minutes later.”

Why it does not violate physics or relativity

General relativity deals with proper time—how many seconds a molecular clock accumulates along its world-line. Salvinorin A never changes molecular reaction rates; it changes which neural events you notice and remember. So the effect is psychological, not relativistic: the wrist-watch on the user’s arm and the metabolism in their cells keep normal time, but the narrative brain later says, “That took forever.”

Key take-aways

Subjective duration scales with memory density. Block the external stream and boost internal imagery, and ten minutes can feel like decades.

Salvinorin A is a perfect recipe for that illusion because it (a) rapidly disconnects external anchors, (b) disables the brain’s timing hubs, and (c) floods episodic memory with vivid, self-referential content.

No physical time dilation is involved. All clocks—quartz, atomic or neuronal—still mark the same number of seconds; only the story you tell about those seconds expands.

In short, a “lifetime in five minutes” is the mind playing auteur with the editing software that usually keeps your inner movie synchronized with the outer world.

@Carl-Richard Seeing as you're studying neuroscience I guess I should show you what o3 has to say lol

Edited June 13 by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I didn't know Carl was studying neuroscience.

I could be wrong, but in terms of neurotransmitters, my understanding was dopamine effects the internal clock. High dopamine speeds it up, low dopamine slows it down. Cortisol & adrenaline slow perception during high stress moments. 

Sleep & fatigue are interesting as they cause me to misjudge time completely. Minutes can feel like hours - or vanish entirely.

[Carl-Richard]

18 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I didn't know Carl was studying neuroscience.

I could be wrong, but in terms of neurotransmitters, my understanding was dopamine effects the internal clock. High dopamine speeds it up, low dopamine slows it down. Cortisol & adrenaline slow perception during high stress moments. 

Yes I was going to mention dopamine but I didn't have enough "dopamine" to do so 🫠

There is also self-referential thinking (thinking about yourself) which drops timestamps in your episodic memories. And not coincidentally, self-referential thinking is linked to negative mood. I have to think out a theory for all this (I can't actually remember reading anything on time perception).

 

18 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Sleep & fatigue are interesting as they cause me to misjudge time completely. Minutes can feel like hours - or vanish entirely.

That's exactly what my day was today. Sometimes I thought it was going slow, and then suddenly I teleported 30 minutes forward in time (I napped; that was a joke 😆).

Edited June 14 by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

57 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yes I was going to mention dopamine but I didn't have enough "dopamine" to do so 🫠

There is also self-referential thinking (thinking about yourself) which drops timestamps in your episodic memories. And not coincidentally, self-referential thinking is linked to negative mood. I have to think out a theory for all this (I can't actually remember reading anything on time perception).

 

That's exactly what my day was today. Sometimes I thought it was going slow, and then suddenly I teleported 30 minutes forward in time (I napped; that was a joke 😆).

Many, many variables...

Emotion, attention, brain chemistry (Vit D in this case), environment, memory, consciousness state. All effect time perception.

Get some sleep my man so you can serve some more delectable thought biscuits ! 

[Rigel]

13 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Go out on a track and run as hard as you can and see how slow time passes. Yea that might be self generated but it’s still a form of suffering .

You cant enjoy suffering right? Because it goes against the very definition. Or is there a sort of mind trick I don’t know that makes it possible to enjoy suffering? I would like to know that mind trick then

What? Running isn’t suffering. It’s one of the funnest things to do lol. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 hours ago, Rigel said:

What? Running isn’t suffering. It’s one of the funnest things to do lol. 

When I witnessed the above dialogue regarding running, it really made me aware of how much pleasure I take in discipline toward a goal. The meaning erases all the negatives of running. 

But then again, how could one ignore the pure bliss of cool, crisp air hitting your lungs? The joy of movement and energy coursing through your body? The feeling of sweat gently evaporating to cool you down? The adrenaline of the final push to conclude the run? 

Getting home, jumping in the shower & sitting down to a hot meal, feeling calm but energised. Ready for some focussed work.