No Negative Thoughts or Feelings, Ever

[Butters]

Is it possible to get to such a state, while being effective in the world and living your life purpose? 

Edit: I think my question was rather silly, as you can choose the interpretation of your own thoughts and feelings. Maybe I'll think of a better question. 

Edited June 8 by Butters

[TruthFreedom]

Life is all rainbows, puppies, flowers and fireworks. 

Haven't you realised that yet?

[Breakingthewall]

It's supposed to be so. It's what's called enlightenment, where the person is totally and permanently open to their true, unlimited nature and perceives the becoming of form as simply form, without differentiating one thing from another, completely in the absolute. Completely alien to human impulses, someone who, for example, could spend two years in a cave in silence, doing absolutely nothing, while remaining open to infinity all time without any loneliness.  The question is: Does someone like that exist? Has anyone really enlightened ever existed? I would say yes, and sure that's wonderful being in that state, but a lot of barriers, a lot of desire, don't you perceive them?

Edited June 8 by Breakingthewall

[Lyubov]

I wouldn’t strive for perfection or purity like this. You are just postulating and discussing ideals. The true end game is you talking responsibility for your life, not blaming anyone, not playing victim and really showing up for yourself to listen to that part of you some call the ego, some call the inner child. Come together as one and living true and authentic in a way that nurtures this, but then if you choose otherwise and feel sad about something, you learn from it instead of look to blame or play games with yourself. I wouldn’t say the point is to try to reach some ideal or expectation. Recognize first you create your negative emotions and you choose a busy mind thinking negative thoughts, inquire on why you choose that in the first place. 

Edited June 9 by Lyubov

[James123]

13 hours ago, Butters said:

Is it possible to get to such a state, while being effective in the world and living your life purpose? 

Edit: I think my question was rather silly, as you can choose the interpretation of your own thoughts and feelings. Maybe I'll think of a better question. 

Of course, it is possible. But you have to let go all attachments. Therefore no mind chatting at all. Just the moment.

[Jowblob]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's supposed to be so. It's what's called enlightenment, where the person is totally and permanently open to their true, unlimited nature and perceives the becoming of form as simply form, without differentiating one thing from another, completely in the absolute. Completely alien to human impulses, someone who, for example, could spend two years in a cave in silence, doing absolutely nothing, while remaining open to infinity all time without any loneliness.  The question is: Does someone like that exist? Has anyone really enlightened ever existed? I would say yes, and sure that's wonderful being in that state, but a lot of barriers, a lot of desire, don't you perceive them?

@Breakingthewall

 

No one like that has existed i think, because inaction feels like death. God is like the ocean wave that constantly moves in ecstasy, If action would stop, everything else would stop and you would feel dead momentarily.. God cannot stop itself because it always exists, that's why action and praising god or showing love to yourself in different forms is the only way.

 

Edit: Maybe i'm wrong , maybe there were few that can be in the highest god state at all times because of their actions. Like Haidakhan babaji, their actions are carrying humanities so they can retain higher states and they're carriers of humanities or worlds.

Edited June 9 by Jowblob

[kbone]

18 hours ago, Butters said:

Is it possible to get to such a state, while being effective in the world and living your life purpose? 

Edit: I think my question was rather silly, as you can choose the interpretation of your own thoughts and feelings. Maybe I'll think of a better question. 

In how I'd express it, states are always dual, as in states of mind. The concepts of the bifurcating mind are always dual, expressed as continuums of polarities (like negative and positive), and thus relative. For example, remember what you used to consider 'negative' as a child, and how almost naive that sounds to you today, because the mind is also conscious of (hopefully) how that is a developmental aspect of the individuated world view/perspective. Eventually, if one is radically honest and willing to look, it can be noticed that the mind is always just a tool that is used to think about and to interact within the world of cause-effect, and possibly tinker toward life's probabilities and the purposes of the illusive/mirage-like self.  Negative thoughts and feelings arise, happen, and fall away... more immediately when not identified with and/or held on to via the dramas of grudges and revenge and/or intrapersonal/self-referential narratives self-loathing, abandonment, and unworthiness. Interpretations are always an effect of the mind's conditioning, which can be refined and even informed by the greater Whole. Wondrous, indeed.

 

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
There is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
The world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase 'each other'
Doesn't make any sense. 

~ Rumi

[Breakingthewall]

On 9/6/2025 at 0:25 PM, Jowblob said:

No one like that has existed i think, because inaction feels like death. God is like the ocean wave that constantly moves in ecstasy, If action would stop, everything else would stop and you would feel dead momentarily

Maybe for you breathing would be enough movement, it seems that some people get in that state, those indians. For me it's just a nightmare because I'm attached to the movement because the need of survival 

 

On 9/6/2025 at 1:49 PM, kbone said:

In 

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
There is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
The world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase 'each other'
Doesn't make any sense. 

~ Rumi

Rumi is the best. He's absolutely straight to the point.

If you take a step back, one thing is the same as another, one thought is the same as another. Being a great winner is the same as being an outcast tortured by his misery; they're just forms. Being in the form is being in the form. Total reality is all the same; it's total, it has no limits, it is.

But the form is so magnetic that it's impossible to don't merge in it . Anyway being merged or detached is just a change of perspective. One is contracted, another is open. Seems that the best idea is going towards the openess, because go towards the contraction leads to suffering and madness 

As Rumi said: Why do you remain in prison when the door is wide open?

Edited June 10 by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

How come is there gonna be up without down? Enjoy the rollercoaster, it's fun!

This is my approach to life, I really enjoy the peaks and the valleys. There's a beauty in contrast. That's what loving life means, not to change its nature, but to love its nature.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Davino said:

How come is there gonna be up without down? Enjoy the rollercoaster, it's fun!

This is my approach to life, I really enjoy the peaks and the valleys. There's a beauty in contrast. That's what loving life means, not to change its nature, but to love its nature.

Yes but this is being in the form, Wich is normal, and we're all there, in the preference. But we have to understand that enlightenment is being outside of this, it's stepping out of experience, out of its density, and seeing it as a transparent hologram in which everything is exactly the same. You won't be at that point all the time, as if you were an Indian saint or something, but you can enter that dimension or perspective at certain moments and open to your unlimited nature. Then you dive back into the flow and give it meaning, but know that in essence, what you are is reality itself. Then god is made of that nature, it's an arising. 

Edited June 10 by Breakingthewall

[Jowblob]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but this is being in the form, Wich is normal, and we're all there, in the preference. But we have to understand that enlightenment is being outside of this, it's stepping out of experience, out of its density, and seeing it as a transparent hologram in which everything is exactly the same. You won't be at that point all the time, as if you were an Indian saint or something, but you can enter that dimension or perspective at certain moments and open to your unlimited nature. Then you dive back into the flow and give it meaning, but know that in essence, what you are is reality itself. Then god is made of that nature, it's an arising. 

Yeah but enlightenment isnt the finish, it's a stepping stone to a new beginning. Most important thing to understand is that you cant experience everything because the nothingness/shakti/potential is what starts a new interaction with yourself. So shakti/potential is also conscious like yourself