Are men or women the prize?

[CARDOZZO]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sitting there thinking about the dating marketplace is doing zero good for you.

This.

It is a similar dynamics with guys that become "Pickup Theorists". They read all the books, study all the courses but NEVER GO OUT AND SAY HI!

 

[Puer Aeternus]

12 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

This.

It is a similar dynamics with guys that become "Pickup Theorists". They read all the books, study all the courses but NEVER GO OUT AND SAY HI!

 

Le simple recipe de perfection.

I stay inside, consuming theory all day. Constructing an illusion of the world that I feel confident and secure in. Can resist the naysayers with my rationalizations and literary references from my studies! Clearly they're delusional and haven't done the research like me! 

That way, whew! Don't have to get rejected or have women tell me I'm a 3 out of 10! And I can grift all the other guys just like me for racks upon racks of monies 

Edited June 17 by Puer Aeternus

[Keryo Koffa]

16 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

This.

It is a similar dynamics with guys that become "Pickup Theorists". They read all the books, study all the courses but NEVER GO OUT AND SAY HI!

4 minutes ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Le simple recipe de perfection.

I stay inside, consuming theory all day. Constructing an illusion of the world that I feel confident and secure in. Can resist the naysayers with my rationalizations and literary references from my studies! Clearly they're delusional and haven't done the research like me! 

That way, whew! Don't have to get rejected or have women tell me I'm a 3 out of 10! And I can grift all the other guys just like me for racks upon racks of monies 

At some point, they silently embrace the silliness, realizing it was never about the women and all they ever cared about was impressing their peers at game, which is another layer they strip away, leaning into mental masturbation, proud of a useless skill become they got the PhD of Attraction Pyronomics, which was just an excuse not to get started, which they only actually wanted to because it was expected of them, since they wouldn't even know what to do with a relationship if they got into one, the void the lack of confidence stems from, but others are already experiencing that for them in billions of repetitive relationships, so the copium is secured, Tada !

Maybe I should do an entry for every branch of society... or prompt a buddhist dating sim... 🤔

[AION]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

All this overthinking about women is screwing up men's ability to get laid.

Stop with gender ideology and theory about feminism. Just go socialize and have fun and flirt. Many girls will be receptive and then you just work on improving your closing skills.

Sitting there thinking about the dating marketplace is doing zero good for you.

I’m studying his theory because I was bumping against the wall in terms of dating. Orion Taraban helped me in several ways. Like I was not aware I was showing too much interest from the start and that is apparently a female “ick” that I was not conscious of. Nobody told me that. 

I was also very angry because I couldn’t get the quality of women I wanted. But his book took my anger away because now I kind of understand what mating and dating is. It is kind of a game as he explains it but at the same time it is a negotiation too and one can become better at it.

Eventually I would like to go of theory and my resentments but just ignoring them and pretending I don’t have anger and frustration is not it. Because if I do what you tell me to do: just go out and have fun, it might work for you but it doesn’t work for me because I have all the unconscious material in my psyche that is lurking and waiting to be activated. 

Also notice how many guys on your forum have given up on dating. I was shocked about how many black pills there are in your community(although they wouldn’t call themselves this they de facto are). I wouldn’t under estimate how difficult dating has become because it is not just skill that is needed. More difficult part for guys who “failed to launch” is the ability to let go of the “false social self” that they developed. 

Edited June 17 by AION

[Twentyfirst]

I don't think Orion has any actual beef with women. He's not dumb enough for that. He probably just adds fuel to the fire because he knows he will get more views which is scummy

This is the more appropriate video from him on this topic 

 

Edited June 17 by Twentyfirst

[AION]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

I don't think Orion has any actual beef with women. He's not dumb enough for that. He probably just adds fuel to the fire because he knows he will get more views which is scummy

This is the more appropriate video from him on this topic 

 

That is what I mean. I always succesfully test his theories with my own direct exp. The thing is if you want to help low LOC people you have to start on their level and then bait and switch to high LOC information. I don't think this is low integrity. That is the only way to help angry people with low IQ.

Edited June 17 by AION

[Twentyfirst]

10 hours ago, AION said:

That is what I mean. I always succesfully test his theories with my own direct exp. The thing is if you want to help low LOC people you have to start on their level and then bait and switch to high LOC information. I don't think this is low integrity. That is the only way to help angry people with low IQ.

There are still much better people to learn from though

[AION]

This guy is the Yoda of human psychology. I’m reading his book right now and his wisdom can be used across the board. Not just with dating. 

Especially what he says about power in his book is insanely powerful. Especially if your associates aren’t aware of this power. Most people wield and lose power just by luck. High conscious people shouldn’t shy away from grasping at power. Otherwise you leave it at the hands of low LOC people. Most people think power is bad get this from outdated spirituality/psychology. It is just left-over spirituality from old religions. Or they don’t want to take the responsibility and accountability that comes with power aka laziness/ignorance. 

Edited June 19 by AION

[Puer Aeternus]

1 hour ago, AION said:

This guy is the Yoda of human psychology.

Krispy Kreme, we GLAZIN

[Aaron p]

It's almost the content of this guys statements have a lot of accuracy but their structure are setup in a way that, when seen by his audience (probably 80% male) they might inadvertently encourage sexism. 

This is something I've realised, you can't just whip out truth and start blasting people with it. A T-bone steak is good to provide for a starving African child, but not if if your there ramming it down his throat lol. Delivery matters. The content is good but the structure could be misapplied. I think I'm articulating that ok.

 

Truth is actually very divisive and can be dangerous if not delivered in a careful way...but then again, I think we know some other people who have done it that way. Often this is necessary before further calibration is incorporated and a more careful method of application implemented. 

[meta_male]

3 hours ago, Aaron p said:

A T-bone steak is good to provide for a starving African child, but not if if your there ramming it down his throat lol.

Still better than no food and dying.

[Aaron p]

2 hours ago, meta_male said:

Still better than no food and dying.

 

[Schizophonia]

On 19/06/2025 at 1:29 PM, AION said:

This guy is the Yoda of human psychology. I’m reading his book right now and his wisdom can be used across the board. Not just with dating. 

 

Do you will have sex with a ugly and or fat women because she is "honest" ?

[AION]

24 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Do you will have sex with an ugly and or fat women because she is "honest" ?

No

[AION]

With 9’s and 10’s it doesn’t work to be the price. So if there are two parties who think they are the prize, basically nothing happens. One basically have the  bait and switch the frame. These frame battles are so sophisticated and it happens in every kind of relationship but there almost no literature on this topic although it is the games of all games. I know the few good sources who deal with frame control. There are principles to it. It is almost like boxing. Usually two frames colliding, testing each other and then submission.