Why People Leave The Left

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

@Leo Gura then WHY THE FUCK IS IT WHITE FRAGILITY 

Bro.

Don't you understand how fucking racist whites have been over the last 300 years, minus the last few decades?

You are ignoring the enormous lopsidedness of racism.

You act as if whites and blacks were both in the same slave ships.

Come on man. Some fairness and compassion please. Don't strawman this issue. We are not personally blaming you for slavery, but you gotta have some understanding of the unequal situation.

Edited Thursday at 06:23 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Nemra said:

By Robin DiAngelo?

Yup.

You can find it on my blog.

Follow the Rat Crumbs

Edited Thursday at 06:27 PM by Leo Gura

[Jacob Morres]

1 hour ago, SwiftQuill said:

I wish those woke retards would reincarnate in a next life, as a minimum wage McDonald's worker. And gaslit by woke scholars about their supposed "cis white male privilege".

You could have white & male privelege, and also be developmentally & socieconomically unpriveleged, which leads you to work in mcdonalds 

White privelege in the job market specifically would be like: Like less barriers in top levels in companies, more likely to get a call back due to your name, people will assume you are a 'cultural fit' much more easily, better access to networks of white people (due to in-group preferences). That being said, being white won't get you to the top automatically, but there are subtle priveleges that you do get. If you work at mcd while older, there is socieconomic and maybe IQ/developmental challenges at play.

The privelege isnt white = automatically rich lol. That is way too reductive 

Applies to men, and straight ppl too

Im not criticizing you tbh, just pointing out some blindspots 

Edited Thursday at 06:30 PM by Jacob Morres

[PurpleTree]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are really discounting the huge negative impact of racism, as if racism hasn't been a huge problem since like forever, and especially for blacks.

You are too focused on defending you.

Well a problem then is that wokes look at everything through the lens of racism.

A white guy with dreads singing reggae cultural appropriation.

Getting stared at, it’s racism.

Talking over a black woman or not being silent while she talks, racism.

 

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Follow the Rat Crumbs

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well a problem then is that wokes look at everything through the lens of racism.

A white guy with dreads singing reggae cultural appropriation.

Getting stared at, it’s racism.

Talking over a black woman or not being silent while she talks, racism.

Yes, it goes too far sometimes, but you are focusing on such trival things compared to the entire legacy of racism and slavery.

You need a sense of proportion.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it goes too far sometimes, but you are focusing on such trival things compared to the entire legacy of racism and slavery.

You need a sense of proportion.

I don’t live in America. 

We didn’t have black slavery in my country.

Yet the woke ideology copied those things and buzz words from the US (because it‘s an ideology) like cultural appropriation etc.

[PurpleTree]

But I just found out i have zero interest in debating about the woke ideology. You can’t argue with people who are ideological. And it’s over anyway.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t live in America. 

We didn’t have black slavery in my country.

That doesn't matter. You are being so myopic.

Racism has been a problem all over the world. You should be learning lessons from it, not screaming that you didn't personally own slaves.

You guys are like children.

I outgrew this shit back in college.

You are so self-absorbed you lack basic empathy, which is why no logical argument will help you.

You two ARE the liviing embodiment of white fragility.

Acting like racism hasn't been a huge deal IS white fragility.

Edited Thursday at 07:05 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That doesn't matter. You are being so myopic.

Racism has been a problem all over the world. You should be learning lessons from it, not screaming that you didn't personally own slaves.

You guys are like children.

I outgrew this shit back in college.

You are so self-absorbed you lack basic empathy, which is why no logical argument will help you.

You two ARE the liviing embodiment of white fragility.

You don’t know me bro

I have defended black people from white racism and so on.

But as i said, zero interest in talking about this utter nonsense.

[Jacob Morres]

@PurpleTree if you read my latest post, it was significantly less ideological than the other dude. He was extremely ideological, emotional and lacking knowledge 

 

Edited Thursday at 07:10 PM by Jacob Morres

[Schizophonia]

Marxism sweeps away all questions about racism.

[SwiftQuill]

@Jacob Morres also [removed] for misrepresenting and ridiculing me. You clearly had no interest in an actual discussion with me or in understanding my position.

Edited Thursday at 07:19 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

But as i said, zero interest in talking about this utter nonsense.

If you consider it utter nonsense then you don't get it.

Teaching about racism shouldn't feel like pulling teeth. Yet it does. Hence white fragility.

[Leo Gura]

@SwiftQuill Don't use insults.

[Nemra]

Woke people might be too reductionistic, but it doesn't mean that racism has not been happening.

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Teaching about racism shouldn't feel like pulling teeth. Yet it does. Hence white fragility.

It's just not natural to "apologize," to say we're "privileged," and that sort of thing; it's a form of self-pity.
A communist state will sweep away all these issues through the abolition of private property and planning.

[Jacob Morres]

@SwiftQuill yes I apologize if my initial points were offensive, I was trolling in the beginning, I do gotta chill on that sometimes. 

 

Though i do find it silly that you talk about bad faith when your entire ideology is a cartoon misrepresentation of liberalism lol. I dont sense open-mindedness or good faith from you 

 

Edited Thursday at 07:38 PM by Jacob Morres

[SwiftQuill]

1. I never denied the existence of racism.

Just because I have pointed out flaws and biases in woke studies and I'm against DEI, it doesn't mean I reject the existence of racism. I would really appreciate if people stopped making this accusation.

2. I never said "white men are oppressed".

I said this woke religion divides people between oppressed and privileged in too simplistic of a manner. I will not pretend all white mens lives are easy because there are problems. Each demographic group has it's own problems. And not everything is about demographic. You can be white male and have shit life. Individual struggles also exist.

3. I will never apologize for being white.

Racism, slavery, history, I don't give a fuck. I'm not racist and I don't mistreat anyone for their race. If me not bending over backwards to assume "responsibility" for racism, if that means I'm "fragile", so be it.

4. All of this dog piling because DEI.

I've stated my politics many times and people are aware I'm not right wing. Just because I dare to disagree with a few points here and there on this forum, everyone freaks out and starts lecturing me.

5. Go tell a male McDonalds worker he's privileged.

If you are all so "empathetic" as you think you are, do it. See if that feels right. Point a finger at him, and tell him he's privileged and that his race has caused slavery.

[PurpleTree]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you consider it utter nonsense then you don't get it.

Teaching about racism shouldn't feel like pulling teeth. Yet it does. Hence white fragility.

My main problem is just with the ideological aspect. The group herd mentality. Copy pasting. Not thinking for yourself. Like some of the posters here i can predict every post of them.

Edited Thursday at 07:47 PM by PurpleTree