‘Wellness’ is destroying veganism. Here’s why.

[Emerald]

 

[aurum]

Good talk. Lots of anti-establishment brain rot out there.

[integral]

Sensationalism sells

 

Edited May 31 by integral

[RendHeaven]

Yes, but I actually devoutly followed a whole foods balanced veganism by autistically logging all my plant foods on cronometer and making sure all the bars were green. And it still nearly killed me. And eating a primarily meat-based diet not only reversed the damage, but has elevated my health to levels I never believed were possible.

So Ed has a point, but also he's in denial of actual anecdotes. "You didn't do real veganism" is a deflection from looking at the hard truth, which is that veganism only works for some people. And furthermore, red meat DOES have genuine benefits. It is NOT a "health fad"

Edited June 1 by RendHeaven
added that last sentence about red meat

[aurum]

38 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Yes, but I actually devoutly followed a whole foods balanced veganism by autistically logging all my plant foods on cronometer and making sure all the bars were green. And it still nearly killed me

What happened that it almost killed you?

[RendHeaven]

@aurum Ok that was hyperbolic lol, I was echoing Ed's words from 0:26

Practically, I had unholy bloating, farting, IBS, chronic brain fog, fatigue (literally couldn't get out of bed in the morning), acne, eczema (scaly patches of dried, flaky, inflamed, itchy skin on my FACE), became skinnyfat despite attempting an active lifestyle ('attempting' because often I was too much of a zombie to even leave my room), and had to constantly battle cravings for salt and fat

And once again - yes I was doing everything 'right': such as varied colorful organic fresh fruit and veggie salad bowls + whole grain oats and rice + tofu and avocado + nuts, nut milks, nut butters + extensive supplementation (B12, iron, pea protein, omega 3 algae, nutritional yeast, blah blah) and many more minor optimizations i'm forgetting. 

And I tried so hard to always accept responsibility as things were getting worse and worse - I was the first one to consider that I must surely be doing this "wrong." I gaslit myself into thinking that surely veganism works, I'm just not being earnest enough, I just have to make even more adjustments and optimizations. 

Until one day I said "this is bullshit I want to go back to how I used to feel" and then I ate a fish (desperate attempt to preserve my ethical halo by resorting to pescatarian rather than "regressing" back to selfish full blown meat eater because "fish rank lower in sentience" (wow what an arbitrary judgement)) and immediately half my negative symptoms were gone. That day I learned that I am not a saint. I am a selfish devil and I choose me. 

But I still wasn't fully myself so I reintroduced eggs. That got me 80% back to original power, but that last 20% was still like a thorn in my side. Eventually I bury veganism/vegetarianism for good and reintroduce chicken and pretty much made a full recovery back to 100%.

But then, beyond that, I discovered through @Jason Actualization that I can just stop eating greens and switch chicken to beef and I went up to 200%+ and beyond! (I had a lot of resistance to this at first, for months I grilled him on his reasoning process and lived experience. I grew up with a massive plant-based bias as my Japanese mom raised me on a Mediterranean greens + fish diet (which, all things considered, is blessed))

After 3 years of ditching all greens (+ seed oils!) and eating beef every meal every day:

• perfect flat stomach
• never fart, ever
• perfect gut health & bowel movements
• mentally the sharpest I've ever been
• energy in spades. 0 stimulants, perfect sleep
• perfect skin
• perfect shredded v-taper physique (yes, training did contribute to this. but there was a 0% chance of this result while I was vegan/vegetarian, given my genetics)
• ZERO cravings. Literally cheat meal NEVER. (effortlessly!)

this cannot be explained by placebo alone. even before going vegan, I was never this aligned.

note: this is not necessarily a diet endorsement or prescription for other people. I am NOT shilling for carnivore (I still eat fruit and rice). I'm just sharing how my unique story flies in the face of Ed's propaganda video above.

Edited June 1 by RendHeaven
filled out minor details

[integral]

14 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

which is that veganism only works for some people. And furthermore, red meat DOES have genuine benefits. It is NOT a "health fad"

I had a debate on this topic that went nowhere.

I made some really good points during my debate but it was completely dismissed as self-deception games.

Vegans strongly believe science has proven as a fact that the vast majority of people can cut all animal products out and take a bunch of supplements as a replacement, and that all anecdotal outliers are 1/10,000 rare events.

They will never acknowledge that science does not say any of this.

The mindset is, if you have any problems while doing veganism you either have a rare health problem or you did it wrong. Nothing outside of that exists. No diversity exists in biology.

Edited June 1 by integral

[Schizophonia]

32 minutes ago, integral said:

I had a debate on this topic that went nowhere.

I made some really good points during my debate but it was completely dismissed as self-deception games.

Vegans strongly believe science has proven as a fact that the vast majority of people can cut all animal products out and take a bunch of supplements as a replacement, and that all anecdotal outliers are 1/10,000 rare events.

They will never acknowledge that science does not say any of this.

They will never acknowledge any degree of diversity in the population that is outside a rare 1 in 10,000 health problem.

When I first tried veganism I was constantly farting; I also had constant brain fog and severe intestinal pain.

Edited June 1 by Schizophonia

[aurum]

@RendHeaven fair enough. 

Ed is making some good points, but ultimately I suspect he is also still just rationalizing his vegan ethics. 

[RendHeaven]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

When I first tried veganism I was constantly farting; I also had constant brain fog and severe stomach pain.

wow what a coincidence, me too!

we must both be anomaly outliers @integral 

[integral]

18 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

When I first tried veganism I was constantly farting; I also had constant brain fog and severe stomach pain.

shhhhhhhhhhshhhhhh, don't say that outload, its propaganda 😉

You should also begin medical intervention right away by chugging 2 bottles of probiotics. 

Edited June 1 by integral

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

wow what a coincidence, me too!

No need for Nord Stream 2 when you have red kidney beans 👺

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we must both be anomaly outliers @integral 

Lol.

It was mainly beans who created this problems, potatoes and pseudo cereals too. 

Frugivorism actually makes sense; we have receptors for sugar, and it's enjoyable even if boring (due to a maladaptation?), and fruit doesn't cause as many problems.

We don't have receptors for starches, and they cause digestive problems.

Btw Lou courora and Markus Rothkranz looks good, Doug Graham has bad skin that mades me think to importance of fat for that but at least he is energic and strong.

Starchivores like Dr McDougall looked like an old dement owl, ditto for esselstyn and most of guys in the same line.

The most physiologicaly and archaeologicaly logical  diets are frugivorism and carnivorism.

I eat what I want, but if I listen to my instincts, I mainly want to eat fish, some dairy products, leafy vegetables, and fruit; I could be very happy with steaks, tahini or cashew paste, and melons. 

2 hours ago, integral said:

shhhhhhhhhhshhhhhh, don't say that outload, its propaganda 😉

psyop 

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You should also being medical intervention right away by chugging 2 bottles of probiotics. 

I sometimes watched Goji Man.
He looked like he weighed 60 kilos and was selling protocols to exterminate his intestinal flora with antibiotics.

Because the problem isn't the bean puree, the problem is your mom, who gave you your bad intestinal flora.

Edited June 1 by Schizophonia

[sholomar]

A vegan diet that simply added certified humane eggs to it, say 2 per day, would be quite healthy. It's not veganism that is the problem, rather extreme all or nothing diets, and excessive dietary fructose/alcohol.   I'm long past having ethical or dietary  debates with carnies or vegans though... eat what works for you. 

Edited June 2 by sholomar