Mankind’s Evil, Corruption, and Underdevelopment Mega Thread

[Xonas Pitfall]

The title says it all! Inspired by some of the recent blog posts shared, I thought it would be valuable to open up a space for reflection and discussion on the darker sides of human behavior - selfishness, corruption, underdevelopment, and the systems that perpetuate them.

Of course, we'll aim to keep everything within the forum's guidelines - and moderators, feel free to step in or close the thread if it veers off course.

On a balanced note, I’ll also be creating a companion thread focused on humanity’s goodness, love, selflessness, and progress - both aspects are real and worth exploring. 

 

Edited May 23 by Xonas Pitfall

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https://www.actualized.org/insights/afghan-underdevelopment

 

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBEIBBdgAOAqhMHX1xpwvotP1jnC9AgSS

Soft White Underbelly's Poverty Playlist

[Puer Aeternus]

Posting some of those requested documentaries from the blog thread! 

 

More of a slow burn, but about the conflict between Azerbijani/Armenia, mostly from the Armenian side. Examines the aftereffects and blood bond of killing. A traumatized culture possessed for desire for revenge on those who killed their family and took "their land".

 

 

In Krygystan there is a cultural custom where women can be kidnapped and forced into marriage. It can happen basically anytime and be done by anyone. This docu follows a kidnapping as it happens. This tradition is falling out of favor now, but it still happens in rural areas.

 

 

 

 

2 part testimony from Vietnamese soldiers about their own indoctrination and torture/rape of Vietnamese villagers. All done by the sort of guys you'd casually pass at the supermarket or be co-workers with. Under a layer of conditioning, immense potential for violence exists even in first world countries.

 

 

 

Most things can become normal in a culture if it can find its footing. Widespread rape in India, if a woman is raped she is blamed for it completely and shamed rather than the rapist.

 

 

This is what mental health facilities look like in many third world countries, if they exist at all.

 

 

[Ajay0]

9 hours ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Posting some of those requested documentaries from the blog thread! 

 

More of a slow burn, but about the conflict between Azerbijani/Armenia, mostly from the Armenian side. Examines the aftereffects and blood bond of killing. A traumatized culture possessed for desire for revenge on those who killed their family and took "their land".

 

 

In Krygystan there is a cultural custom where women can be kidnapped and forced into marriage. It can happen basically anytime and be done by anyone. This docu follows a kidnapping as it happens. This tradition is falling out of favor now, but it still happens in rural areas.

 

 

 

 

2 part testimony from Vietnamese soldiers about their own indoctrination and torture/rape of Vietnamese villagers. All done by the sort of guys you'd casually pass at the supermarket or be co-workers with. Under a layer of conditioning, immense potential for violence exists even in first world countries.

 

 

 

Most things can become normal in a culture if it can find its footing. Widespread rape in India, if a woman is raped she is blamed for it completely and shamed rather than the rapist.

 

India has the largest population in the world, so it is bound to have the highest crime statistics in the world.

 Since it has the largest number of english speaking news agencies much of them are meticulously documented and reported, leading to a perception of high crime rates in India, when actually in terms of proportion it has lesser crime rates (2.6) than the likes of Kazhakshthan(7.1), Ireland (19.3), Germany (15.5), Denmark (39.9) , Finland (42.5) and so on.

Though India has the second largest army on earth, it has not fostered wars and invasions in faraway nations as part of its foreign policy.

This itself ensures that a major portion of possible human rights violations around the world have not been committed by India. You can check out the war crimes committed by other war-mongering countries in the world in terms of comparison .

The two world wars which originated in europe lead to the deaths of over a 100 million people as well rapes of millions of woman and girls.

https://ww1.habsburger.net/en/chapters/sexual-assault-first-world-war

https://medicamondiale.org/en/violence-against-women/news/world-war-ii-millions-of-rapes-on-women-and-girls

India is the largest contributor to UN peacekeeping forces which have strenthened law and order in many foreign countries .

Indian female UN officers like Inspector Shakti Devi and Major Radhika Sen have won UN awards for their distinguished services in Afghanistan and Congo. 

Dr. Kiran Bedi is an Indian female police officer who became the first woman to serve as the United Nations Police Adviser and had been honored with the UN medal for outstanding service.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-police-officer-wins-uns-international-female-peacekeeper-award-679232

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/quicksplained-major-radhika-sen-indian-army-officer-un-advocacy-award-13776450.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/kiran-bedi-honoured-with-un-medal/articleshow/707426.cms

[Puer Aeternus]

@Ajay0 I suppose I framed it too broadly with poor wording from me just throwing a bunch of things together. That is my bad. This seems to be more so focused on a community in Haryana. How far this sort extends beyond there, I'm not sure. I think the example and views expressed by people in the video are still quite shocking and depressing to be fair.. perhaps even a culture that would underreport rape cases. But yes, not EVERYWHERE in India, at least to my knowledge.

 

I don't know, the country is massive and different states have different cultures. I'm guessing there's a good level of variability between all of them. Seems you're from India or know more on the subject. Feel free to correct me further if you have confidence in doing so. I don't doubt your country has produced impressive things and people.

 

But yes, most countries produce some impressive people while having a dark underbelly. I never denied those ol war mongering western countries doing anything brutal. Not fostered any wars or invasions in faraway nations is some clever wording though, especially with recent events  I stand on my stupidity, India is no land of widespread rapes lol, but we don't need to extend it too far the other way.

[Ajay0]

27 minutes ago, Puer Aeternus said:

But yes, most countries produce some impressive people while having a dark underbelly. I never denied those ol war mongering western countries doing anything brutal.

There are also murky cases of the latest Jeffrey Epstein scandal and Dutroux scandal in the west at present where many high ranking western figures were involved, in addition to the war crimes perpetrated in europe and colonial wars elsewhere.

It is not correct to ignore them thinking or hoping no one is aware of them.

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Not fostered any wars or invasions in faraway nations is some clever wording though, especially with recent events 

We are obviously bound to retaliate on terrorist attacks . 

We had not however participated in the recent invasions of Iraq or colonial invasions of Algeria, Phillipines, Haiti, Mexico, Angola, Mozambique, Vietnam, Indonesia , Namibia, Congo and others (too many to put here) and perpetrate human rights violations over there. 

While the western powers had replaced many democracies with brutal dictatorships in the western hemisphere such as that of General Pinochet in Chile, India is not guilty of the same. 

The likes of Nobel peace prize winners like Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Liu Xiaobo , Aung San Kyi and civil rights activist Cesar Chavez had considered Mahatma Gandhi as an inspirational figure.

[Puer Aeternus]

@Ajay0 Ay dios mio.

 

You are weirding me out dude. I am not some grand defender of the west, I am not sure why you keep deflecting to that.

 

I am from the U.S. and I know damn well how fucked up our foreign policy, history, and domestic policy have been. I am just saying everywhere has problems, not sure why you can't admit this and need to keep playing some game where seems you're elevating India above this. I get the vibe this back and forth is going nowhere and I'm dropping it.

[Lyubov]

You guys are chronically online. This site has grown more and more doomer. 

[Puer Aeternus]

55 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

You guys are chronically online. This site has grown more and more doomer. 

Eh, yes. Chronically online for now. I often default to glass half empty and cynicism, I mean. There's plenty of legit reasons to fuel the doom. 

 

But wouldn't say this was intended to be a doomer thread. Just a discussion of some of the dark sides of humanity. Which.. you don't necessarily have to get down in the doomer to talk about. But it can inspire those reactions.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Thinking about going in a humanitari trip to help kids in a undeveloped country?

Well, there is probability you end up even fueling abuse and griftery

Volunturism shade side

[aurum]

28 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Thinking about going in a humanitari trip to help kids in a undeveloped country?

Well, there is probability you end up even fueling abuse and griftery

Volunturism shade side

Fantastic share, thank you.

[Xonas Pitfall]

Amazing shares! Thank you guys!