Leo, How Many God-Realized Women Have You Met?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

 

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Ok, I get what you mean.

There are women I don’t feel safe around either, not because of their jealousy (which is normal in people), but from how they handle their emotions: catty, hostile, chasing male validation at the cost of self-respect. Some even betray close friends for it.

I say this as a woman who believes in feminism and sisterhood. I wish it were different.

While there is the aspect of what we call human nature, and the development of consciousness and ego, we can’t ignore the weight of culture and conditioning. 

As women, we’re all shaped by a patriarchal, capitalist system built to divide and control us. From childhood, we’re taught our worth lies in beauty, marriage (the ultimate form of male validation), and motherhood (the ultimate form of self sacrifice). 

Healing from that, misogyny turned inward, distrust of other women, takes time. The fear of losing approval and not fitting in runs deep (the brain interprets it as risk of death). But even if women overcome those fears and push back, even in 2025, women still face backlash for pushing back.

It’s not like women are conformists while men are not. Men are conformists too beause this is the human nature, but they don’t like to admit that. 

Some women awaken and seek spiritual growth, though it’s hard in a world built to dim us.

In spiritual and creative spaces, I’ve met women who are wise, tender, ego-light. What stands out is their authenticity, self awarness, courge, unapolegetic feminism, their intention to heal, and open hearts.

I have seen that we are all a little broken, trying to find wholeness in a world that often forgets we’re human.
 

Just feel the energy of this woman, from my home country. That’s the kind of spiritual vibe I’ve mostly experienced from spiritual women. 

 

 

When I compare her energy to that of spiritual men there’s often a clear difference in my eyes, more ego. It’s not that men value knowledge more, but many seem less willing to surrender to the unknown. Spiritual transformation requires humility, a deep trust in intuition, emotion, and direct experience. Emotions aren’t noise, they’re messengers. That’s where real transformation begins.

Yet men often cling to certainty, using “knowledge” as a shield against chaos and vulnerability. They collect teachings like trophies, treat spirituality like dogma, chasing status or admiration and even sex.

Even profound experiences, like psychedelics, often become fuel for ego rather than healing.

Of course, women do this too, but I’ve seen it more often in men.

And it’s not to say that all spiritual men are like that. Not at all. I love to learn from both men and women if I find them genuine. 

And It’s not because men are bad and women are good, but because of the gender roles we’re taught, social constructs that we were internalized. Women are conditioned to underestimate and suppress themselves, men, to overestimate and dominate, and it plays out exactly that way. 

I don’t think this is evolutionary.

Frankly, I see evolutionary psychology as pseudoscience, deeply biased. In fact, evidence show many ancient societies were more egalitarian, with both men and women sharing power. 

That’s not to say there aren’t psychological differences between male and female brains. Honestly, I don’t know for sure. Hormones definitely shape our brains in subtle ways (I feel it at least with my menstrual cycle). But we are more than hormones, more than biological machines. Humans are really really complex. 

Well said! Hear hear!

Modern feminism has really pushed a lot of women into competitive hierarchies. Competition was always present, but there used to be much more solidarity between sisters. My grandmother is a member of the silent generation - she is 98 years old. It was very different then. Women had each others backs much more. We are more divided. It is my hope higher consciousness & spirituality in women will mean they embrace their sisterly bonds, and not at the expense of vilifying or causing division by lambasting men!

As an aside - would you believe that before contraception in my grandmother's generation, when men wanted to 'burn sexual karma' they would have sex with other men? It was quite common to avoid unwanted pregnancy. You didn't get to go home and just bang your wife. There were negotiations between men and women, and most men wanted to avoid unwanted pregnancy and childbirth just as much as women. My late grandfather confirmed this, but he said it was very unspeakable.

[Flowerfaeiry]

@TheGod No. I’m not gonna let you get away with this. This is absolutely ridiculous. To think this much less publish this on the internet is blasphemy and I’m embarrassed for you that you think this. 

Where the hell are you getting your samples for said proclamation? Me making a comment does not count. Just because women often do things differently doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Just because women aren’t known for going into a cave and meditating for years doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Or just because women haven’t written more philosophical books than men doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. It is completely idiotic behavior to make such a statement. And it does sound like you’re just repeating ideology you’ve seen on this forum. In fact your whole comment is soaked in it. 

What do you think women do? Fart around, raise babies? Make friends? Cook food? Fuuuuck. I’m WAY more spiritual than you. I guaran-fucking-tee it and you will not catch me saying that in any normal conditions but I’m flipping this fucking table because you are WRONG to say what you said. 

[TheGod]

6 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

@TheGod No. I’m not gonna let you get away with this. This is absolutely ridiculous. To think this much less publish this on the internet is blasphemy and I’m embarrassed for you that you think this. 

Where the hell are you getting your samples for said proclamation? Me making a comment does not count. Just because women often do things differently doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Just because women aren’t known for going into a cave and meditating for years doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Or just because women haven’t written more philosophical books than men doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. It is completely idiotic behavior to make such a statement. And it does sound like you’re just repeating ideology you’ve seen on this forum. In fact your whole comment is soaked in it. 

What do you think women do? Fart around, raise babies? Make friends? Cook food? Fuuuuck. I’m WAY more spiritual than you. I guaran-fucking-tee it and you will not catch me saying that in any normal conditions but I’m flipping this fucking table because you are WRONG to say what you said. 

Girl you made my day 😆

[Hojo]

Women are generally way more open to spiritual ideas. Men will shoot them down cause they are logical. I talk to women about aliens God spiritual stuff all day and non of them have called me retarded or stupid. If I was with a group of men they would shut it down instantly then make fun of me. I tried to talk to my best friend once about god he called me weird said I was being weird so I stopped talking to him. We were friends for 20 years and couldn't handle one convo about it. He's the most scared person I have ever seen.

Edited May 16 by Hojo

[Lila9]

On 16/05/2025 at 8:39 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

Well said! Hear hear!

Modern feminism has really pushed a lot of women into competitive hierarchies. Competition was always present, but there used to be much more solidarity between sisters. My grandmother is a member of the silent generation - she is 98 years old. It was very different then. Women had each others backs much more. We are more divided. It is my hope higher consciousness & spirituality in women will mean they embrace their sisterly bonds, and not at the expense of vilifying or causing division by lambasting men!

As an aside - would you believe that before contraception in my grandmother's generation, when men wanted to 'burn sexual karma' they would have sex with other men? It was quite common to avoid unwanted pregnancy. You didn't get to go home and just bang your wife. There were negotiations between men and women, and most men wanted to avoid unwanted pregnancy and childbirth just as much as women. My late grandfather confirmed this, but he said it was very unspeakable.

Thank you for sharing!

I think that feminist theory is a gift for women and offers a very critical and enlightening view of gender as a social construct. The freedom of choice and opportunities for women that resulted from feminism is invaluable. Just from looking at countries like Afghanistan or Iran and even India, places without feminism, you see that it is a kind of hell for women. A woman can be murdered, sexually assaulted, or raped, and it all would be swept under the rug, justified by family members, and ignored by authorities.

Yet, the way feminism is applied in Western society is imperfect.

First of all, it still receives a lot of backlash. Women fear identifying with it, or even saying they support it or agree with gender equality, just to avoid threatening men, don’t lose their validation or simply keep surviving and thriving in the patriarchy.

It also doesn’t help that many people don’t even understand what feminism is and often create strawman versions of it.
Very few people have actually read feminist literature or theory to begin with. They also confuse equality with similarity. People think that when women say they want to be equal to men, they mean they want to be similar to men, and that there should be no differences between men and women. But equality refers to equal opportunities for both men and women, while acknowledging the undeniable differences between male and female bodies.

There are even women who identify as feminists who don’t fully understand it and end up developing toxic masculine traits (narcissism, entitlement, superiority, competitiveness, etc.)

because, subconsciously, they believe that’s what a valuable human should be, think and act like a man. And women who don’t do that are seen as still deep in the patriarchal conception of being a weak, feminine woman. But this is also a sneaky form of internalized misogyny. First of all, who said femininity is weak? And why is being feminine considered inferior? Why, in order to be worthy, do we have to be masculine?

It also doesn’t help that there is confusion about what femininity really is. Patriarchy defines femininity as malignant passivity, hysteria, irrationality, and toxic self-sacrifice, a believe that a woman should be giving herself up for everyone but herself.

But that’s not true femininity, it’s a distorted version of it.

The divine feminine is something very different. It is creative energy, authenticity, fierceness, expression, nourishment, intuition etc.
But how many people know that? I didn’t know that when I was a child or a teenager. In my view, it was either strive to be as masculine as possible, because that’s what society values or be a weak, feminine woman conforming to the patriarchal distorted version of femininity. I hated both but to inhibit masculine toxic traits felt more practical and safe in this crazy society. 

There was no in-between. Until I learned that both of those extremes are very far from the divine feminine and the divine masculine. And that both exists within me, like in every other woman or man or being, and express themselves in me in a unique way which makes me, ME.

It also doesn’t help that feminism has been commercialized in the Western world, watered down, lost its original purpose and meaning, became ineffective, co-opted, and “embraced” by capitalism in order to monetize it and make women believe they are the ones in control, while in reality, they are still fighting for basic rights like abortion.

There are also many types of feminism, and there are differences between them. The main ones are liberal feminism and radical feminism. Liberal feminism is about fighting for more rights and equality for women within the system, while radical feminism seeks to create an entirely new system because the system is deeply rotted. 

Both have some truths and blind spots of course.

So yes, there is a lot of mess, and I don’t know how we’ll figure it out.

I’m glad your grandmother had such an experience. It may depend on the era. My grandmothers were unhappily married. One of them was beaten by my grandfather, while the other was constantly cheated on. Both my grandfathers were immature and toxic men. However, my great-grandfathers, from what I’ve heard, were more decent men and showed more respect toward my great-grandmothers.

It’s not that there weren’t men who treated women decently before feminism or its beginning, it’s that women were much less protected from the bad ones back then.

 

 

 

[Lila9]

On 16/05/2025 at 7:02 PM, Flowerfaeiry said:

@TheGod No. I’m not gonna let you get away with this. This is absolutely ridiculous. To think this much less publish this on the internet is blasphemy and I’m embarrassed for you that you think this. 

Where the hell are you getting your samples for said proclamation? Me making a comment does not count. Just because women often do things differently doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Just because women aren’t known for going into a cave and meditating for years doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. Or just because women haven’t written more philosophical books than men doesn’t mean we are less spiritual. It is completely idiotic behavior to make such a statement. And it does sound like you’re just repeating ideology you’ve seen on this forum. In fact your whole comment is soaked in it. 

What do you think women do? Fart around, raise babies? Make friends? Cook food? Fuuuuck. I’m WAY more spiritual than you. I guaran-fucking-tee it and you will not catch me saying that in any normal conditions but I’m flipping this fucking table because you are WRONG to say what you said. 

I love your comment. This is so truthful, fierce and sacred in my eyes ❤️

 

 

 

 

 

[Ajay0]

On 5/18/2025 at 0:54 AM, Lila9 said:

Thank you for sharing!

I think that feminist theory is a gift for women and offers a very critical and enlightening view of gender as a social construct. The freedom of choice and opportunities for women that resulted from feminism is invaluable. Just from looking at countries like Afghanistan or Iran and even India, places without feminism, you see that it is a kind of hell for women.

 

While the patriarchial abrahamic religions have destroyed goddess temples in south america, europe and asia, the same exist in india intact and there are thousands of goddess temples in India venerating the divine feminine. You can only find the same in buddhist goddess temples in eastern asia and nowhere else.

The various Hindu goddesses are considered as manifestations of the supreme and unitary Brahman.

India has the largest population in the world and it obviously has the largest crime rates in the world statistically speaking, all reported by the Indian  english speaking newsapers, the largest body of english newspapers in the world.

However to equate this with lack of feminism in India is ridiculous. 

There are many female enlightened sages in India worshipped in India and around the world as in Sharda Devi, Mata Amritandandamayi, Anandamayi Ma, Mother Meera, Karunamayi Ma , Anandmurti Gurumaa  Nirmala Devi and who have various charitable institutions serving the world.

The Brahmakumaris based in India is the only spiritual organisation in the world led, administered, organised and taught by women leaders with their own theological doctrine and they have teaching centers in almost every country on earth. 

This is in contrast to the long tradition of male only popes and ayatollahs in abrahamic society.

Politically as well, India and asia set the norm of female political leaders.

India has had both female presidents and prime ministers while the USA has never had a female president till date.

Indian female prime minister Indira Gandhi was seen as a role model by british politician Margaret Thatcher who became the first female prime minister of the UK later on.

Thatcher’s biographer Hugo Young says the first meeting between them in the year 1976 in Indira Gandhi's home in Delhi, marked an important step in her journey towards belief in herself as a rising international stateswoman. This was prior to Thatcher becoming the British prime minister in 1979.

Thatcher called Gandhi the "distinguished leader" of a great country and prime minister of the "greatest democracy" during a luncheon speech while welcoming her in London on March 22, 1982, for the opening of the Festival of India, a cultural programme.

Both of them were also known by the sobriquet of 'The Iron Lady'.
 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/what-indira-gandhi-and-margaret-thatcher-shared/story-6ekTtiqP5xoumpgHkMfUPM.html

 

Indian and eastern feminism diverges from western feminism in that Indian women commands more respect and attention as they age due to their wisdom and experience, as wisdom is given a lot of importance in Indian and asian society.

In the west beauty is a parameter for the respect and attention women receive in western society,and an aged lady would not command as much respect as a young woman. 

Edited May 19 by Ajay0

[BlessedLion]

On 5/17/2025 at 1:42 PM, Lila9 said:

I love your comment. This is so truthful, fierce and sacred in my eyes ❤️

 

 

 

 

 

Aho. Way to go!

[Rising Spirit]

I feel that "enlightenment" is a transcendent state of supra- consciousness and it is essentially, neither a masculine nor a feminine prerogative.  Said degree of awakening is a purely energetic zero point field.  Being female is no barrier and being male is absolutely no guarantee of awakening beyond the illusion of 3-dimnensional duality.  It's a soul ressonance that illuminates the being.