A gentle request for people posting on this subforum

[ExploringReality]

@Natasha Tori Maru  reality wants to explore darkness, like a rubber band effect. You pull yourself ever deeper into the dark, and when you let go, you fling that much faster into the light. Suffering and the darker aspects of consciousness are part of the whole. But the whole experiences all the parts to understand itself and in so doing loving itself in all the ways that it can.

Edited Friday at 12:19 AM by ExploringReality

[Natasha Tori Maru]

20 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Natasha Tori Maru  reality wants to explore darkness, like a rubber band effect. You pull yourself ever deeper into the dark, and when you let go, you fling that much faster into the light. Suffering and the darker aspects of consciousness are part of the whole. But the whole experiences all the parts to understand itself and in so doing loving itself in all the ways that it can.

In my personal experience there was no rubber band snap into the light.

It was a slow, drudging process. Like walking through molasses. The slow marching against great resistance, where excessive haste only serves to waste what little energy you have. 

And those lower states do carry with them an energy lack.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Just my personal thoughts:

I think the general experience of the forum users - and society at large - is negative. 

Due to this there are more people anxious to explore the negativity in an attempt to understand and sooth themselves.

There is much more to explore in the higher realms.

I am really hoping others get to the point I have, myself, reached. A point that is beautiful. Explores positivity, unity, communion. 

You become obsessed with this new, greater & expanded reality 

I think the obsession with the darkness is a result of the need to move through it. I have experienced this also, far more so than the positivity I have reached now.

I agree 👍 . It's like most people on this section would be better off posting on the mental and emotional issues section. As If they are all going through suffering and stuff like dark night of the soul..existential crisis ..overthinking about "harsh " truths of life like death and whatnot . What do you suggest is the solution?  I suggest that people start filling their time with positivity instead .and positivity breeds positivity just like I mentioned about law of attraction that one tends to attract to their lives whatever they are firmly focusing on .kinda like placebo .

[ExploringReality]

@Natasha Tori Maru

Human life is a slice of time. Within personal experience there is a long grueling battle to survive, but from a higher perspective, it is a snap of a finger. And in the ultimate biggest picture, zooming out of your personal story, out beyond the surface of the planet and beyond galaxies, there is no time.

Nothing matters, not because it's meaningless, but because it's empty, and emptiness doesn't care. There is no meaning, but the meaning we give it, determines our experience of it. Just because there is no meaning to suffering or pain, doesn't mean it ain't beautiful. God doesn't just want to be positive, it wants to experience the negative, stickiest weirdest, twisted shit possible, because everything is possible and it has no limits. It sounds fucked up to the ego, but this is how it is.

Edited Friday at 02:22 AM by ExploringReality

[LambdaDelta]

People can't help it, it's a reflection of God's desire to explore all of itself. Most will stop at merely surface level curiosity or theorizing, it's a whole another thing to actually willingly experience such states, if only temporarily. 

You say that we don't know that they exist, that's a good and honest starting point for any inquiry. But then you categorically claim they do not and cannot exist. How do you know that? 

What would actually be unimaginably terrible is for those states to not exist, that would diminish God's Infinity. Hence God does not imagine the universe like that. In your bias against hell, you deny it reality, essentially conceptually killing it. Heaven and you have neither more nor less right to exist than hell and a rapist. It's a very good thing that reality is not ran by your, mine, or anyone else's whims and preferences. That would be true hell.
God is all-giving and all-forgiving, which makes it Love. There's no incompatibilities within God whatsoever, it will grant existence to absolutely everything, irrespective of how monstrous or beautiful it is. Imagine if God had some personal bias against you and would deny you existence. You'd probably think that's an evil God. In doing so, God casts you out of heaven, which is existence itself. Non-existence, therefore, is the actual hell. But precisely because God is absolutely infinite, non-existence is not a thing. So rest easy. Not even God can go against its own infinitude. 

Even though some parts of God can inflict an enormous and disproportionate amount of suffering on other parts, it's all temporary, fleeting phenomena, it will not persist forever, in the end all returns to God where all is healed and reconciled. Finite as they may be, they're essential, inalienable, and irreducible parts. Take away a single number from the set of natural numbers and it's no longer infinite. But you can keep adding to it forever. That's how Consciousness is, or rather it's a set of all sets that includes itself in an infinite recursion. Its perfection is not a static notion, it's in the eternal autonomous engine towards ever more perfection. 

That you don't see this is no accident, no finite form can fully. To have this temporary experience as yourself you need to deny that everything else is also you, otherwise there'd be no distinctions. Currently you deny hell as it's threatening to you. Many people today still deny others humanity due to their religion or race. I deny a mosquito life by killing it, as I'm biased towards not getting malaria. As we all must. The design couldn't be more intelligent, intricate, twisted, and beautiful. Every act of denial, violence, cursing, is performed by none other than God, on itself, having tricked itself into believing there are discrete objects. Similarly, all kindness and love given by someone to you and from you to them, are done by you for you.
The illusion of separation plays a vital role, because it's rather easy to just love yourself. It's also easy to not hurt yourself, but refusing to abuse others even though you don't experience the suffering is the mark of goodness. Loving those parts of yourself you consider separate, particularly those that threaten, scare, or repulse you, is the real challenge. In essence, spirituality is about a gradual transition from denial to acceptance, including the acceptance of the fact that all the progress you've made will turn to ash and loop back around to denial. The more you do of it, the smoother the passing into death will be. 
How far you'll go in this acceptance is entirely up to you, one could even go in the opposite direction and construct a fantasy through denying truth and affirming falsehoods. Those are acts of creation too, so God loves it all the same. In its mercy it has given people an infinite capacity to deny reality, some even deny the moon exists and no amount of evidence in the world could convince them otherwise, because they're sovereigns. Still, an excessive denial of reality brings about its own ways of suffering, as does truth, so choose your poison. Over time, truth is easier, as it becomes effortless to act intelligently in alignment with reality.

When you wake up and say "When I think about heaven... I imagine THIS", your "THIS" is severely limited — to your thoughts, body, house, maybe the view of your neighborhood. It's merely a "this"; the "THIS" you're probably not imagining consciously is someone getting raped, tortured, eaten alive, dying from a terminal illness, having a psychotic break in terror, yet it is undeniably happening simultaneously with you imagining your heaven. And you as God are personally responsible for it all. A heavy burden indeed, hence barely anyone chooses to perceive it. "All is imaginary" won't cut it as an excuse as by that point you're conscious that there's nothing more real than imagination. 
Yet that is Truth, and the unconditional acceptance of it is Love. Truth without Love is a cold, lifeless thing; Love without Truth is a fantasy. 
God has the highest power because it assumes full responsibility for everything, like a CEO or a leader of a country. But the CEO can blame the government for poor economic policy, and the president can blame some other country or weather conditions, while God can blame no one, there is no one else. 

That which you call unchanging bliss is the whole field of Consciousness within which all sorts of weird and impossible things are happening right this instant. Constant change is what's unchanging about it. There won't really be a you to 'enjoy' the bliss, but you'll no longer be separate from it either, which is the happiness of reunification. Better experience it partially as much as possible before then, as this perspective is unique, there won't be another like it. You could opt to stay statically dissolved in Love as long as you like, but it's a certainty that eventually the process of division will begin anew. 

[ExploringReality]

@LambdaDelta

Your on fire man. Straight jewels and nicely layed out. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

I agree 👍 . It's like most people on this section would be better off posting on the mental and emotional issues section. As If they are all going through suffering and stuff like dark night of the soul..existential crisis ..overthinking about "harsh " truths of life like death and whatnot . What do you suggest is the solution?  I suggest that people start filling their time with positivity instead .and positivity breeds positivity just like I mentioned about law of attraction that one tends to attract to their lives whatever they are firmly focusing on .kinda like placebo .

I think some of the problems are based on individuals not attending to basic survival needs before they reach for infinity.

I think we all want to swing from the highest branches, like monkeys grasping at the highest truths, but if the roots are rotten and need attention? This issue is rather insidious too, as you cannot see the root structure that is your doom.

I think this is why it is very wise for masters to emphasis practice & working your way up.

I have already been through this process myself, as the first phase of my life was very much concerned with existential matters. I disregarded survival needs. I had contempt for it. 

It was only after I mastered this sector of the flesh existence I was able to sit in contentedness with all the positivity - joy, happiness, jubilation, love, unity, communion. I learned to execute, and to stop contemplation. I stopped all propensities toward division and isolation - which was my natural way.

And I am telling you - I saw the depths and depravity before I saw the light. The deepest and most evil.

But I think your solution is the best one, most issues need to be moved into the mental and emotional issues subforum. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 04:14 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

Human life is a slice of time. Within personal experience there is a long grueling battle to survive, but from a higher perspective, it is a snap of a finger. And in the ultimate biggest picture, zooming out of your personal story, out beyond the surface of the planet and beyond galaxies, there is no time.

Nothing matters, not because it's meaningless, but because it's empty, and emptiness doesn't care. There is no meaning, but the meaning we give it, determines our experience of it. Just because there is no meaning to suffering or pain, doesn't mean it ain't beautiful. God doesn't just want to be positive, it wants to experience the negative, stickiest weirdest, twisted shit possible, because everything is possible and it has no limits. It sounds fucked up to the ego, but this is how it is.

I am not positioning my opinion in contradiction to this.

It is more these thoughts do not serve the collective consciousness of all of us who are in this material realm.

My position is that there is more to explore in the arenas of love, unity, joy, passion, happiness. These go deeper.

Its just that, to my opinion, most people haven't experienced this depth because they are bogged down by the horrid systematic way modern culture is.

Edited Friday at 04:20 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[ExploringReality]

@Natasha Tori Maru

Yes I understand, I have grown up in very tough circumstances, I have seen death, losing loved ones, been through the foster care system, seeing my father bounce back for his kids, I predicted my father's death to his face, and shared my last moments with him in love and giving him his flowers days before his passing, I told him he is going to die, he did 3 days later. I have been through the foster care system, I have had life changing psychedelic breakthroughs, I have suffered emergency hospital injuries and I am on the path of integration and development. I am guided by my inner strengths of forgiveness, wisdom, judgment and recognition of Beauty in the world. The depth of human suffering that I've experienced showed me the higher aspects of life paradoxically. Giving me a deeper compassion of other people's suffering greater than mine.

The social matrix does bogg people down, and my wish is for everyone to experience reality with the qualities of Being cognition and perception. I look at the world and other people around me struggling and suffering and I extend my love to them because they are all me, and I love myself, even the parts that don't, I love even the parts of me that don't love itself and can't accept the love. Your suffering is my suffering and I have compassion for the suffering of all life.

Are you familiar with being a bodhisattva?

Edited Friday at 04:39 AM by ExploringReality

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, ExploringReality said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

The depth of human suffering that I've experienced showed me the higher aspects of life paradoxically. 

Yes this has been my experience.

I fear that this cannot be taught, but must be experienced. It is baked into the nature of this meat grinder reality.

I truly hope more people find the self sovereignty to realise there is a light - and its beautiful 

The contrasting nature of reality is what we are all here for.

Also - thank you for sharing & your vulnerability

 

[ExploringReality]

@Natasha Tori Maru

My apologies for yesterday, my ego reacted and felt bothered by your response in the middle of a complex and fueled topic. My deepest love extend to you. Namaste 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I do want to add (so sorry for the spam >.<) that many people who are drawn to spiritual work & process are driven there due to desperation.

I encounter more pathological minds within the spiritual community due to this.

It is almost inherent !

[Applegarden8]

So the problem of OP is that he doesn't want to see projection of fear to a degree of realm of suffering. I can underestand that.

I would tell people here to stop using the @Nahm argument when you don't have anything reasonable to say in a discussion, just say we are all one and don't provide any practical solution to a problem or question at hand. Just say something vaguely spiritual to stop arguing. 

That's like a a person coming up on stage and saying in a very passionate voice "everything is energy" yet few people really have healed something from energy healing and similar practices. Why? Because the solution is specific, not vague. The "you are already free" or "everything is one" is not enough I feel at least for most people. Even that has to be understood in what context you use it, what your thinking should be based in and time to integrate this concept and see the results in your meditation.

So I hate these vague truths. They are truths, but they are impractical.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

My apologies for yesterday, my ego reacted and felt bothered by your response in the middle of a complex and fueled topic. My deepest love extend to you. Namaste 

 

Oh do not fuss at all - I think there were lots of charged up emotions in that discussion! It is hard to handle oneself in that state. I have trouble funnelling off the excess energy often, so we all have the same challenges.

But! I do thank you, nonetheless

I apologise also, because mostly, it takes 2 to tango!

I have no idea how men are able to temper themselves - it takes more mastery than women need to exert (testosterone and all that)

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

To me it makes no sense .you should be searching for happiness not for suffering. Am I wrong here ?

No.
You are just chosing not to be the victim of your creation.

 

[Ulax]

I dunno. I think people should be able to post what they want on this forum, along as it’s within forum guidelines.

Sure I might rather people didn’t but I think it’s toxic to just demand they stop posting something they are allowed to do. No one here is superior to anyone else and so no one should be demanding anything, unless they’re demanding someone stop being disrespectful, imo

[Sincerity]

You’re in no position to request people don’t post about something.

I request you stop talking and preaching about things you have no idea about, but is that going to take me anywhere? You’re too arrogant for your own good, for someone who just mentally masturbates about spiritual concepts.

First handle basic survival. You didn’t even have a job yet. Much of your suffering would go away if you focused on a purpose with tangible results. A new member category should be created for you: member aspiritual.  

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Natasha Tori Maru >.<

[Someone here]

16 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Searching for happiness means you're suffering and unhappy.

No shit . You're saying the obvious here .I understand that from the absolute level there is nothing to search for and all is well just as it is . But if we talk a lil bit from unenlightened perspective then it makes sense to seek money ..comfort ..happiness etc and not seek to be slaughtered to death right ?

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, Someone here said:

 I didnt mention probably that i Accept my suffering. That's the only way out. Everyone is going to suffer at some point in their life. That's inevitable. 

no matter what you think..you are going to suffer. For years.. You'll feel insecure and weird and dull. There will be a war inside you that will sometimes lead you to the brink of madness. You'll be hopeless..not knowing what to do. You will want to go back to a "normal life".and find that it's impossible. And you'll have to live with the terrible fear that you are completely wrong. 

And the message is that it's ok. It's a okay to suffer sometimes. 

This is the truth and nothing but the truth. Feel free to love me or attack me. I don't care. All I care about is spitting some raw truth. 

That’s a good mindset . I find it hard to accept suffering