How do you deal with the stupidity of other people?

[Aaron p]

It's difficult for me to talk about about this topic sometimes nevertheless it's very true. Having come through many layers of my own stupidity I am very acquainted and qualified in this area. 

Trust me I have the work experience and diploma in stupidity, but at least I was able to recognise it and make efforts to transcend. This is of course an ongoing process as I would imagine it is for everybody. But it is a genuine difficulty that I'm noticing in myself dealing with people who are completely moronic. Racists, religious ideologues, people who have no idea what they're doing in positions of leadership and power causing immense damage and suffering for others and themselves.

What gets me most is the people who make active efforts to teach their stupidity to young people. It may point to a lack of maturity in myself but I have to be honest about where I'm at in my own development... The stupidity of other people really really irritates me. 

Guys is there any actual solid hardcore spiritual methods to deal with the lack of consciousness in other people? I find it particularly hard to deal with people who are actively in my life leading people into chaos and causing young people in particular extreme amounts of damage.

I'm getting an intuitive sense that the most effective method to deal with this kind of problem is to just have a few awakenings but assuming that I can't do that yet how the fuck can I deal with these people

 

 

Update: 

Ok so just did a bit of contemplating and I had an insight. I think I'm projecting my pain onto other people. Not to say that they aren't stupid, but my over sensitivity to their stupidity is indicative of deeper truths of feelings of having been failed by leaders in society. So the real question is not how do I deal with the stupidity of others, the real question is how do I deal with the pain and suffering I have experienced. 

For this, a strategy I think should be effective is the realignment of my understanding of what suffering is, as It is ultimately the sterilisation of ego. So my current conclusion is that I need to lean into my own pain

Edited May 11 by Aaron p

[Flowerfaeiry]

Anyone who says these words is still stuck in their own “stupidity”. Be careful.

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

It's difficult for me to talk about about this topic sometimes nevertheless it's very true. Having come through many layers of my own stupidity I am very acquainted and qualified in this area. 

Trust me I have the work experience and diploma in stupidity, but at least I was able to recognise it and make efforts to transcend. This is of course an ongoing process as I would imagine it is for everybody. But it is a genuine difficulty that I'm noticing in myself dealing with people who are completely moronic. Racists, religious ideologues, people who have no idea what they're doing in positions of leadership and power causing immense damage and suffering for others and themselves.

What gets me most is the people who make active efforts to teach their stupidity to young people. It may point to a lack of maturity in myself but I have to be honest about where I'm at in my own development... The stupidity of other people really really irritates me. 

Guys is there any actual solid hardcore spiritual methods to deal with the lack of consciousness in other people? I find it particularly hard to deal with people who are actively in my life leading people into chaos and causing young people in particular extreme amounts of damage.

Why do you expect people to be spiritual? Do you think this is a reasonable expectation to have on people? People barely know how to feed themselves.

You need to accept what is true. Reality is not perfect. You are incredibly privileged to be able to be in the position of seeing another way, but you are not taking reality for what it is if you try to impose it on reality without setting your expectations low for how fast that will happen.

[Aaron p]

4 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Anyone who says these words is still stuck in their own “stupidity”. Be careful.

@Flowerfaeiry I made an update to the last comment there^

[Flowerfaeiry]

21 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Guys is there any actual solid hardcore spiritual methods to deal with the lack of consciousness in other people? I find it particularly hard to deal with people who are actively in my life leading people into chaos and causing young people in particular extreme amounts of damage.

I'm getting an intuitive sense that the most effective method to deal with this kind of problem is to just have a few awakenings but assuming that I can't do that yet how the fuck can I deal with these people

People are actually not as stupid as you’re making them out to be and I know this goes against the ideas on this forum but people are the way that they are for very specific and intelligent reasons. 
 

Can you give me a specific example of something you’re having a hard time dealing with?

[Aaron p]

11 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Can you give me a specific example of something you’re having a hard time dealing with?

Yeah like parents indoctrinating me with Christian ideology from the age of 2, people being racist to my buddy last night. Christianity is a big pit of outrageous stupidity like. It's also a dangerous pit of damaged people pretending to be healed resulting in loads of problems and dangers...it's essentially a collection pot dangerous idiots. My Christian teachers didn't know how to help me at all nor did my society know how to help me with my mental health problems as a young person. They just unconsciously punish you for acting out. 

People who just do group think are stupid (most people in government). I also feel that lots of therapists don't know how to deal with real trauma. Kind of like Christianity, it works when the problems aren't too difficult/deep. Such problems require real solutions. I think a lot of mainstream therapy actually reinforces trauma sometimes.

The education system is kinda shit, teaching young people what to think instead of how to think...and forcing all young people into one modality of intelligence. Just constantly over and over again idiots not protecting young people (like even simple things about educating them about the basic dangers that exist in the world). 

These are a few. But as I've outlined in the updated message I think my entire question illuminates a deeper question, as to my relationship with my own suffering.

Edited May 11 by Aaron p

[Flowerfaeiry]

Leo has a very harsh view on reality annd doesn’t understand trauma. People are the way they are so that they can survive. We start off as innocent babies and one negative thing after another happens and we learn to protect ourselves through these various methods that you and Leo label as “stupid” and “retarted”. When in reality they are the body, mind and soul’s way of making sure it stays safe. Without them we would literally crumble and die. We all have different protection methods based on what we’ve been through and who we are. Yes we can unlearn these protection methods but it takes a shit ton of effort. 
 

Honestly you sound angry. And it sounds like a righteous anger at the state of the world. Things are very fucked up right now.  It’s hard to balance a wide range of emotions that arise when you see injustices and wrongdoings, I know. Sometimes I rage and cry and lash out and don’t know what to do. 
 

One of the biggest things I’ve implemented into my life though is compassion and that’s what’s changed the most for me over the recent years. Before, I was angry forever. Now, I have compassion for people who mistreat me and who act in ways I don’t agree with or understand. No one who loves themselves mistreats others. People who love themselves understand that life is very, very hard and that we act out because we are moving from a place of pain.
 

Don’t mistake this as an airy fairy statement to “just love everyone and be happy.” There’s so much depth to the teaching of compassion that is so much more than “love everyone hehe!”. 
 

Real genuine, heart centered compassion and love for people does not look like: “people are stupid and humanity is retarted, I know better”. It just doesn’t. 

[integral]

@Aaron p the "stupid" people are normally doing all the jobs you don't want to do, that's one benefit. I can't work in construction it would just destroy me, and it takes a certain kind of person to do it. 

[Aaron p]

Another insight I'm having is that that this kind of questioning doesn't necessarily relate to how I actually respond to other people's lack of consciousness... Like I'm still going to be very verbally corrective of people who are racist to my friends. If it happens again I'll probably tell them to go fuck themselves. 

I think what it's actually about is a deeper, subtler energy which is like an energy of reactivity or emotional volatility... Which of course points to something deeper within myself. So it's not necessarily that I need to stop being vocal about standing against social stupidity at large...I can continue doing that, but what I should be doing is being careful and mindful when analysing my heart to determine whether this vocal resistance is stemming out of emotional reactivity, or calibrated indignation.

In other words I think I need to pay closer attention to the foundation and source of my vocality against stupidity in people. Whether it's coming from my own pain or from a detached awareness of the necessity to call it out for the actual benefit of people as opposed to just satiating and satisfying my desire to vent the pain I've experienced from previous situations (that were also brought about largely by the stupidity of people, myself included).

Edited May 12 by Aaron p

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Real genuine, heart centered compassion and love for people does not look like: “people are stupid and humanity is retarted, I know better”. It just doesn’t. 

It's funny: the image of a genuinely retarded child brings compassion (for most people I know). "Retarded" used as a pejorative comes from a sense of frustration and anger, the opposite of compassion. You have compassion for the child because you are truly so far beyond them in capacities that you have a sense of understanding and acceptance of their behavior. But if you call someone "retarded" as a pejorative, it's because you are not so far beyond them that you can do the same. In fact, the people you call "retarded" are actually more like you than actually retarded people. And in order to view them with compassion, you must elevate yourself so far above them that you are actually divine. But we don't call that being an egomaniac, but being a saint.

Edited May 12 by Carl-Richard

[Aaron p]

49 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Leo has a very harsh view on reality annd doesn’t understand trauma. People are the way they are so that they can survive. We start off as innocent babies and one negative thing after another happens and we learn to protect ourselves through these various methods that you and Leo label as “stupid” and “retarted”. When in reality they are the body, mind and soul’s way of making sure it stays safe. Without them we would literally crumble and die. We all have different protection methods based on what we’ve been through and who we are. Yes we can unlearn these protection methods but it takes a shit ton of effort. 
 

Honestly you sound angry. And it sounds like a righteous anger at the state of the world. Things are very fucked up right now.  It’s hard to balance a wide range of emotions that arise when you see injustices and wrongdoings, I know. Sometimes I rage and cry and lash out and don’t know what to do. 
 

One of the biggest things I’ve implemented into my life though is compassion and that’s what’s changed the most for me over the recent years. Before, I was angry forever. Now, I have compassion for people who mistreat me and who act in ways I don’t agree with or understand. No one who loves themselves mistreats others. People who love themselves understand that life is very, very hard and that we act out because we are moving from a place of pain.
 

Don’t mistake this as an airy fairy statement to “just love everyone and be happy.” There’s so much depth to the teaching of compassion that is so much more than “love everyone hehe!”. 
 

Real genuine, heart centered compassion and love for people does not look like: “people are stupid and humanity is retarted, I know better”. It just doesn’t. 

Yeah I like what you say here lol. I deffo see the problems that can come from a lack of therapeutic vibes. 

I personally don't subscribe to only cut throat style or only therapy as I can see difficulties and problems arising from a subscription to one but not the other. I think I'll try walk the middle path cuz I think I can be cutthroat and therapeutic.

Edited May 12 by Aaron p

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, integral said:

@Aaron p the "stupid" people are normally doing all the jobs you don't want to do, that's one benefit. I can't work in construction it would just destroy me, and it takes a certain kind of person to do it. 

Hi there

[Natasha Tori Maru]

One thing to remember is every other separate individual you meet, whatever their level of development, is an aspect of god - or you - choosing to manifest in a coherent way to have that specific experience.

None of us can invalidate that.

[integral]

59 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Hi there

LmfaOOOOO…. Exactly it takes intelligence to work construction that I just don’t have. 😂 it’s a good thing We have such intelligent people here.

Edited May 12 by integral

[Flowerfaeiry]

1 hour ago, Aaron p said:

Yeah I like what you say here lol. I deffo see the problems that can come from a lack of therapeutic vibes. 

I personally don't subscribe to only cut throat style or only therapy as I can see difficulties and problems arising from a subscription to one but not the other. I think I'll try walk the middle path cuz I think I can be cutthroat and therapeutic.

Honestly choosing love is the most cutthroat thing I ever did no joke. It’s sooo much easier to just fall back on mirroring someone’s negative energy right back to them. Advanced humans choose love. 

Edited May 12 by Flowerfaeiry

[Yimpa]

@Nilsi

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, integral said:

LmfaOOOOO…. Exactly it takes intelligence to work construction that I just don’t have. 😂 it’s a good thing We have such intelligent people here.

I think it depends what sector of construction as well... I know some brickies who have peanut brains. Roofers, brickies, concreters are made of fucking STEEL, but require someone else to tell them precisely what they need to do so they don't have to think - which is where I come in

I am more the sort who reads plans, estimates what we need & organises all logistics. Answers contractors questions, meetings with client/architect/consultants, bit of estimating for tender as well. I also order all the framing for windows, and materials for doors. I have to memorise plans and specs so when someone calls I can answer quickly so we keep on project schedule. I work with my Dad so he has me doing a bit of everything.

My employment runs pretty contrary to my spiritual endeavours. 

It is pretty dry and fact driven, very masculine environment  - really the last bastion of men

Edited May 12 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

I believe that people call other people stupid mostly because they disagree with them or have other values than them. It has actually very little to do with intelligence. And if you believe otherwise, it's likely because your idea of intelligence is very specific and deeply tied to your values.

Edited May 12 by Carl-Richard

[The Chosen One]

You only have causality in this world, not free will. Your genetics, upbringing, and the people who influence you led you to where you are now. The stupid people would need absolute control over their situation to not be stupid. That would require free will, which doesn't exist.