Leo, do you think that Democrats should support right-wing economic policies?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously this cannot be true. Since then God could never let a single fly die.

The existence of death proves that truth is more important than life or feelings.

You will never find a value higher than truth. Because truth is God. Any value you place above truth is corruption.

See, you ladies have so corrupted yourselves with feelings that you have lost touch with the truth that God created death and torture.

If your position was true, death and torture could not exist. But since you don't care about truth, I guess that little detail doesn't bother you.

If truth was not the absolute highest value, all of reality would collapse into incoherence. Which is why God must be Truth. God has to hold reality together just so you could have life. Truth is more fundamental that human life. Obviously. Because a human life is worth no more than the ant you stepped on on your way to work. But what do you care? As long as you got your life you don't care.

So you think because God gave you free will, what you do with it is his intention? And that makes it truth?

Just because it exists, its true? Or do you mean truth to be 'it is defined, valid'

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Then, you answer... "Yes, I accept people because I am pro freedom. And I mind my own business because whatever trans people are doing isn't effecting my life. Do you believe that the government should be controlling people's personal life and squelching our freedoms?"

The right-wing has leftists beat on the freedom frame. Leftism is not about freedom, it is about equality. Libertarians are for freedom. And libertarians are stupid for it.

What you want is less freedom and more equality.

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously this cannot be true. Since then God could never let a single fly die.

The existence of death proves that truth is more important than life or feelings.

You will never find a value higher than truth. Because truth is God. Any value you place above truth is corruption.

See, you ladies have so corrupted yourselves with feelings that you have lost touch with the truth that God created death and torture.

If your position was true, death and torture could not exist. But since you don't care about truth, I guess that little detail doesn't bother you.

If truth was not the absolute highest value, all of reality would collapse into incoherence. Which is why God must be Truth. God has to hold reality together just so you could have life. Truth is more fundamental that human life. Obviously. Because a human life is worth no more than the ant you stepped on on your way to work. But what do you care? As long as you got your life you don't care.

Leo the ego is human... and is not operating from God consciousness... nor can Leo ever operate from God consciousness.

If your ego dissolved, you would recognize the wisdom of embracing death as well as life... and mercy as well as suffering... and truth as well as illusion.

And you would have no such polarization towards truth and away from illusion... as you would recognize that you were the creator of both of those poles in the dichotomy. And you would recognize your existence as Truth in a way that transcends and includes your notions of both truth and illusion from the finite perspective.

All these dichotomies that Leo currently polarizes along as an ego would collapse... and you would recognize the intelligence of the holistic picture as the "video game designer".

And the wisdom of that is to recognize the existence of Bowser is necessary to make the Mario games complete. And the Mario games are only GOOD because Bowser is in them.

But Leo is and will forever be just an avatar.

And because Leo the avatar has confused himself into thinking he's operating from the paradigm of the video game coder... he forgets that he must defeat Bowser to win the game.

And he is a Mario that allows the Koopas to run amok.... thinking himself wiser for losing the game.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So you think because God gave you free will, what you do with it is his intention? And that makes it truth?

No.

There is no freedom.

Truth is Absolute. Nothing about reality can be free.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

And you would have no such polarization towards truth and away from illusion...

I don't have a problem with illusion.

But that doesn't mean I will corrupt myself with bad ideas like socialism.

You can't leverage God or spirituality to get me to accept silly political ideas. But nice try.

Edited May 8 by Leo Gura

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys want me to sacrifice truth for your political activism, which I will never do.

I am sorry you don't understand why.

Danm Leo, you are like a tai chi master of Truth. I love your no bullshit way of speaking 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No.

There is no freedom.

Truth is Absolute. Nothing about reality can be free.

There is some element to what you name as 'Absolute' that is differentiating the types of truth being spoken about.

[Emerald]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The right-wing has leftists beat on the freedom frame. Leftism is not about freedom, it is about equality. Libertarians are for freedom. And libertarians are stupid for it.

What you want is less freedom and more equality.

That's laughably untrue.... and that should be obvious.

First off, there is no freedom without equality under the law.

You may not realize this yet because you are a rich white man... and you don't understand what it is to have your personal rights and freedoms on the chopping block.

And you don't understand what freedom is or the value of freedom is because you've never actually had your liberty threatened in any kind of meaningful way. 

Secondly, the right wing is HYPER authoritarian and wants to ban and eradicate all people and expressions that deviate from its sense of what's normal. This is observable.. even if you're not personally affected by it

Edited May 8 by Emerald

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, ExploringReality said:

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura

Danm Leo, I love your bullshit way of speaking 

Fixed it for you.

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't have a problem with illusion.

But that doesn't mean I will corrupt myself with bad ideas like socialism.

You can't leverage God or spirituality to get me to accept silly political ideas. But nice try.

You're moving the goal posts. I said nothing about Socialism.

I was talking about winning and losing rhetoric and how your rhetorical strategy is a loser, when it comes to advocating for a progressive economic Populist vision.

[ExploringReality]

@Emerald 

That was pretty harsh. I have nothing against you. I just love how Leo has a razor sharp way of speaking, and it resonates with me. I don't have a problem with, but Im not afraid of confrontation. Don't fuck with me 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Emerald said:

You're moving the goal posts. I said nothing about Socialism.

It's not moving the goalposts. Many progressives and leftists are socialists and would implement socialism if not resisted and stopped by force.

I don't have a rhetorical strategy. I am not a politician. I analyze what is real and what are delusional and unworkable ideas about reality.

Edited May 8 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

Sane people are for equality but with quality control. You can’t have Drag queens in kids classrooms rooms - might as well roll in stripper pole to teach kids about self expression. Drag isn’t an identity but a performance with sexualized elements.

That’s the issue in America - everything has to be a spectacle and become idealogical. Veganism, lgbtq etc etc. They can’t just be allowed to exist organically, it must be imposed, elevated and pledged allegiance to.

You can have diversity whilst having discernment. With no discernment leftists are just detached from reality.

Edited May 8 by zazen

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I will continue to do my job even as the left whines, as they always do.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Emerald 

That was pretty harsh. I have nothing against you. I just love how Leo has a razor sharp way of speaking, and it resonates with me. I don't have a problem with, but Im not afraid of confrontation. Don't fuck with me 

It did sorta come across like you were on your knees gobbling up that dick

There are tons of others that type and speak in a direct way like Leo.

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, ExploringReality said:

@Emerald 

That was pretty harsh. I have nothing against you. I just love how Leo has a razor sharp way of speaking, and it resonates with me. I don't have a problem with, but Im not afraid of confrontation. Don't fuck with me 

A razor sharp way of speaking does not a truth-teller make.

But I was just being funny because seeing Leo as having a genuine allegiance to truth here is just because you like Leo... and you're not recognizing the glaring flaws of his "No bs" approach.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

First off, there is no freedom without equality under the law.

No. Freedom does not guarantee equality nor law. Freedom is literally anything goes.

Nazis camps are an exercise of freedom.

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Secondly, the right wing is HYPER authoritarian and wants to ban and eradicate all people and expressions that deviate from its sense of what's normal.

The left are masters are banning any expression that deviates from their sense of normal.

[zazen]

@Emerald

On the point of freedom, perhaps we need distinctions to clarify that not all freedoms are equal - freedoms exist in relation to one another and some require constraint, in order for more essential and fundamental freedoms to exists.

What good are human rights, if a human can’t exist to enjoy them? Because we didn’t care enough about stability (safe streets) or national security (borders) ie survival.

The essential human right /  freedom, is to exist in the first place to experience further rights / freedoms.

- Existential freedoms = essential (ones required for survival, stability, security)

- Fundamental freedoms = fairness (for a just society with equality in front of the law)

- Important freedoms = valuable but secondary (enhances life but isn’t crucial, like consumer choices or sub cultural / artful expression )

Existential freedoms are for life itself, fundamental freedoms are for a dignified life, important freedoms are for a lifestyle.

Existential freedom enables life to exist, fundamental freedoms creates fairness in life, important freedoms enhance life. Enabling life to exist, is the pre-condition to having other freedoms that enhance the conditions of life.

The problem with leftists is that they mistake important freedoms for existential ones. Which is why when the right talks about safety and security they seem more in tune with reality - even if they layer on their flawed goofiness.

Edited May 8 by zazen

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It did sorta come across like you were on your knees gobbling up that dick

Only if you admit that you were on your knees gobbling up that pussy:

"You are sticking it right in the heart with a sickle knife with your points - that the value of life and consciousness is higher than truth."

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not moving the goalposts. Many progressives and leftists are socialists and would implement socialism if not resisted and stopped by force.

You're once again trying to move the goal posts to a different argument to try to get me on weaker footing... because you know you've already lost the argument we're actually having.

If you were actually honest, you'd recognize that your approach of nitpicking the left about accepting trans people will do NOTHING to achieve the economic vision you'd like see.

Instead, if you want to achieve that economic vision, then we have to stop conceding to the right wing framing on social issues and personal freedom... as it weakens us and strengthens them.

But you've already conceded that the right wing is the direction you want to go for freedom... the freedom to conform to conservative social norms or be prosecuted or thrown into some concentration camp.

There's no greater incarceration than the right wing conceptualization of freedom.