India-Pakistan Conflict Mega-Thread

[chess_king]

On 5/10/2025 at 1:53 AM, BlueOak said:

Far right government vs Military Dictatorship in a time where war is not only normalized but supported and backed by industry.

As i've said 5 million times the world has shifted way too far authoritarian and right with no counterbalance or authority which supercedes nation states with a more benevolent mandate. I watched Osho say dissolve world governments, and I face-palmed, because that's not going to address the root cause of any of this. What good would it do to have this on regional levels or even a global authority sharing the mindset these countries' populations do?

All we've done by removing western liberal influence globally is replace it with an authority that sets the planet back several hundred years, and I what I can't believe is nobody on this planet but me and a few others can see it. Yes it looks different, yes it has different moral frameworks, but expansion is still the goal, and violence is still the tool of it.


 

Osho was a really good cult leader and manipulator you can take his opinion regarding world matters or people seriously 

[zazen]

On 10/05/2025 at 8:23 PM, zazen said:

@Harikrishnan so much fog of war it’s hard to know what’s what atm. I think India did get a bit shaken by Pakistans response and the downing of the jets which shows clear air superiority. India would defeat Pakistan if it were alone, but Chinas advancements give it an asymmetric edge.

Imagine going up against a country backed by the world’s largest manufacturer - who’ll supply it with endless missiles and drones bleeding out India in a war of attrition. India isn’t even bordered by any allies the way Ukraine was in order to be supported.

Pakistani jets entered Indian airspace last night to conduct their retaliation, Indian jets haven’t dared enter Pakistans. Military analysis aside…

Zooming out - yes, India has suffered from higher profile terrorist attacks - because they are perceived as the occupying force in Kashmir. Which is why the terrorist attacks flow in one direction - against the occupier. That said, Pakistan has also suffered lower profile but more frequent terrorism but internally - due to insurgency and blowback from their US collaborated history against the soviets.

If I had to boil down this shit show: 

When a people are denied their UN-recognized right to self-determination, they will inevitably resist (even violently) those who self proclaim the right to deny it. This is the situation with Kashmir and Palestine and the crux of the issue.

India and Israel can’t determine another groups life, who have an internationally enshrined right to self determine their own. It’s like if you give someone the right to a million €, but deny them access to it - aren’t they going to fight for something they have a right to? Isn’t it inevitable they get desperately violent the longer they are denied that right? Hence the “terrorism” never disappears until its underlying cause does so.

 

So Pakistan retaliated, and a ceasefire came a day later. Pakistanis are celebrating the ceasefire whilst many BJP supporting Indians are seething that they had the upper hand and should have continued onwards towards a “final solution” similar to Israel - ending Pakistan, even de-nuclearizing it.

They love to be spoken about in the same sentence as Israel - but can’t see that most of the world sees Israel not with admiration but with disgust. And the world is beginning to see them the same.

They are annoyed that no “allies” backed them unequivocally - whilst Pakistan has China and Turkey on its side. We just went through the episode of Israel, who became a pariah rogue nation on the world stage. They burnt up the Wests legitimacy and standing, which the West is now in damage control - just observe the narrative shift taking place.

Do they really think the West were going to have another turbulent marriage with a spouse like India behaving in the same manner? Collectively punishing 250million people or threatening to do so by cutting water, declining neutral investigation, escalating aggressively, and being a belligerent? Lol.

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[Ajay0]

51 minutes ago, zazen said:

We just went through the episode of Israel, who became a pariah rogue nation on the world stage. They burnt up the Wests legitimacy and standing, which the West is now in damage control - just observe the narrative shift taking place.

Do they really think the West were going to have another turbulent marriage with a spouse like India behaving in the same manner? Collectively punishing 250million people or threatening to do so by cutting water, declining neutral investigation, escalating aggressively, and being a belligerent? Lol.

 

The west should focus on reversing its NATO expansion into the very borders of Russia ignoring the promises made to Gorbachev, and thereby inciting war and conflict in uKraine, and also  creating the potential for a nuclear war and holocaust that can wipe out the Americans, Russians and Europeans from existence any moment.

India relishes its strategic autonomy and is a member of the non-aligned movement, created to ensure a buffer space during the cold war to prevent the belligerents from all-out nuclear attack.

India however, has a right and obligation to protect its citizens and foreign tourists from terrorist attacks and is duty-bound to eliminate the perpetrators to ensure justice.

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[Harikrishnan]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

 

Do they really think the West were going to have another turbulent marriage with a spouse like India behaving in the same manner? Collectively punishing 250million people or threatening to do so by cutting water, declining neutral investigation, escalating aggressively, and being a belligerent? Lol.

Water is still cut, neutral investigation is bullshit, had done it in past and still hafeez zayeed, masood azhar are roaming freely in pakistan. Indian officials have said, they have attacked terrorist sites only, unlike pakistan who where targetting civilians in  J&K, punjab and rajastan. 
Yes, some Indian’s maybe upset coz they wanted permanent solution for terrorism and also due to trump boasting about his intervention.  India had upper hand and went for ceasefire, maybe America was scared regarding pakistan using nuclear, there where two earth quakes in pakistan on saturday. US may also have other plans for pakistan, they dont want to loose control to china fully.
Pakistan is happy coz they won narrative war. 

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[Ramanujan]

@Harikrishnan what is your opinion on Modi . Are you pro Modi or Anti modi

[Something Funny]

why are people so retarded

[Harikrishnan]

1 minute ago, Ramanujan said:

@Harikrishnan what is your opinion on Modi . Are you pro Modi or Anti modi

He is better than Trump. I am not pro or anti, my stance are based on policies. In some he is pretty good and some he is bad. There are no good leaders in opposition parties, thats main problem. 

[I loved Ab vajpaye. He was one of the best prime minister we had.]

[Ramanujan]

@Harikrishnan are you pro BJP . Do you support BJP

[Harikrishnan]

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

why are people so retarded

Not everybody have your privilege

[Harikrishnan]

4 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

@Harikrishnan are you pro BJP . Do you support BJP

I said it depend on policies. It can change I voted for Congress and BJP during different occasion. I voted for Congress during Manmohan singh time, I voted for BJP during 2014- 2019. This time I voted for none. If Sashi Tharoor became the congress president, I would have voted for them again. 

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[Ramanujan]

23 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

 I voted for BJP

[Ramanujan]

fuck BJP . BJP rule will result in civil war and India being split into many parts

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[Something Funny]

29 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

Not everybody have your privilege

if you are privileged enough to have nuclear weapons, you are privileged enough to educate yourself to a point where you don't have retarded conflicts over nothing with your neighbors. 

[Harikrishnan]

39 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

fuck BJP . BJP rule will result in civil war and India being split into many parts

India should into many parts. There is nothing wrong with that, it had been in past. Why hold on to something, if its meant to split.

[Harikrishnan]

41 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

Yeah I should have voted a family party, then, who was accused of full of corruption.

[Ramanujan]

Just now, Harikrishnan said:

India should into many parts. There is nothing wrong with that, it had been in past. Why hold on to something, if its meant to split.

this is bad. we will never know peace if india is split into many parts. those parts become weak. west will try to enslave one country after another . we wiill just be slaves of the west. India together is strong enough to resist the west. India have no military base of the US.

Together we are strong and peaceful . Divided , we will never know peace

 

[Harikrishnan]

43 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

if you are privileged enough to have nuclear weapons, you are privileged enough to educate yourself to a point where you don't have retarded conflicts over nothing with your neighbors. 

Conflicts with neighbours happen when both parties doesn’t value what they have. Our leaders may not be at high level of development as you want them to be. 

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[Harikrishnan]

2 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

this is bad. we will never know peace if india is split into many parts. those parts become weak. west will try to enslave one country after another . we wiill just be slaves of the west. India together is strong enough to resist the west. India have no military base of the US.

Together we are strong and peaceful . Divided , we will never know peace

 

India as far as I see is more unified than ever, its not gonna split anytime soon or there wont be any civil war like u said. Our constitution, economy, army all are strong. And a 15 year BJP rule is not gonna change that. Whereas, I see this as a opportunity for India to develop as a whole more.  
before that, let me ask you at what stage of development do u think India is right now?

[zazen]

On 12/05/2025 at 11:46 AM, Harikrishnan said:

Water is still cut, neutral investigation is bullshit, had done it in past and still hafeez zayeed, masood azhar are roaming freely in pakistan. Indian officials have said, they have attacked terrorist sites only, unlike pakistan who where targetting civilians in  J&K, punjab and rajastan. 
Yes, some Indian’s maybe upset coz they wanted permanent solution for terrorism and also due to trump boasting about his intervention.  India had upper hand and went for ceasefire, maybe America was scared regarding pakistan using nuclear, there where two earth quakes in pakistan on saturday. US may also have other plans for pakistan, they dont want to loose control to china fully.
Pakistan is happy coz they won narrative war. 

Yeah, there's only been a de-escalation on the military front but the water issue still stands - what does that say about India? They say they wanna target the terrorists but then expel Pakistani diplomats, ban Pakistani media / actors etc, censor over 8'000 twitter accounts, and the most egregious of all is abandon the Indus Water Treaty - that's more of a broader agenda against Pakistan and damn right genocidal if they go ahead with starving the country.

They still haven't got the 4 terrorists in the most militarized zone on the planet. The world debated how October 7th happened in Israel which is so heavily militarized, Kashmir is even more so. They are pissed at Kashmir becoming internationalized including their ''ally'' the US wanting to intervene and bring about a solution. Because they know the solution will fall under an already established UN resolution that needs to be upheld.

What many Hindu nationalists don't understand is that majority of Pakistanis don't hate India - they aren't gleeful about these terror attacks or prior ones. Pakistan has been a historic enabler of these terror groups yes, and is now a victim of them just as much as India. The US created the mujaheddin factory to bleed the Soviets, then abandoned the region. Pakistan was left with the fallout of radicalized militias, fragmented networks, and blowback that now haunts the Pakistani state itself.

To think every action taken by these groups can't be taken independently of Pakistan isn't a correct read on the situation.  And that sets a dangerous precedent which Modi's doctrine is now setting. That if any terrorist attack happens it means you can unilaterally breach sovereign borders to go after them - imagine if that were normalised and the world acted that way. Whats stopping a country from engineering false flags galore and using that as a pretext to enter country x to carry out ulterior motives.

Pakistan has suffered 4x more deaths (80k) from terrorism, in a country 6x smaller in population size, across the entirety of the country. India has suffered 20k death from terrorism, majority of which (15k) have been in the disputed region of Kashmir. Both suffer, and are dealing with it. The Indian narrative hasn't caught up with the new reality and think they are still dealing with the Pakistan of old who enabled such groups post soviet collapse.

In fact, whenever Pakistan and India try to mend relations a terrorist incident coincides to derail such efforts. There is a minority of extremists that need to be dealt with - but that doesn't mean at a state level not working together. Even General Musharraf from the military tried making peace with India and cooperating on anti-terror efforts - until extremists sabotaged it. So the excuse that the military are behind it if it isn't the civilian government also doesn't hold weight today.

 

Edited May 13 by zazen

[kbone]

@zazen 

If you have time today, could you find if there's actual validity to the Kirana Hills nuclear leak?  -TIA