India-Pakistan Conflict Mega-Thread

[chess_king]

On 5/7/2025 at 2:19 AM, kray said:

As someone with family in India, I can sympathize with the pro Israel side. 

 

Why not visit Israel and see how they will treat you? LMFAO.

 

I am sure when you receive garbage racist behavior from them you will change your mind , if they even let you enter the occupied Palestinian country.

 

 

[chess_king]

""Muslim hate and gora = good""

 

Right Indians + Jews? 

Edited May 9 by chess_king

[Ajay0]

4 hours ago, chess_king said:

 

Why not visit Israel and see how they will treat you? LMFAO.

 

I am sure when you receive garbage racist behavior from them you will change your mind , if they even let you enter the occupied Palestinian country.

 

 

 

This is not a proper generalization of all Indians or Israelis for that matter.

India had a large Jewish population for milleniums and many of them are brown and keep their connections with India intact.

The white Jews probably may be influenced by the colonial attitudes of european countries that had colonised asian, african and south american nations and maybe seeking to imitate it.

This will obviously will not pay dividends.

One of the reasons why a large number of African nations have supported Russia in the ukraine war is because of the resentment they had against western invasions and exploition of Africa as well as colonial racist attitudes.

The western labelling of Nelson Mandela as a terrorist till 2008 is a notable example.

Perhaps by substantially increasing aid to African nations and investing in education, healthcare and infrastructure and related issues over there, the west can turn around vital African diplomatic support to itself.

[Jodistrict]

In this situation, Sadhguru is right.  Pakistan can’t be allowed to use terrorism as a method of covert warfare and then claim their state wasn’t involved.   India has a long history of being brutalized by Islamic rulers for centuries and they just aren’t going to take it anymore. The forces of darkness in the world are strong and the light can be snuffed out.   Modi is a lion protecting the Sanatana Dharma.  Kaishmir Shaivism is starting to make a slow comeback.  This knowledge and culture is worth protecting for the sake of the liberation of the entire world.  

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

In this situation, Sadhguru is right.  Pakistan can’t be allowed to use terrorism as a method of covert warfare and then claim their state wasn’t involved.  

Then why didn’t they provide evidence Pakistan was directly involved in the attack?

[chess_king]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

In this situation, Sadhguru is right.  Pakistan can’t be allowed to use terrorism as a method of covert warfare and then claim their state wasn’t involved.   India has a long history of being brutalized by Islamic rulers for centuries and they just aren’t going to take it anymore. The forces of darkness in the world are strong and the light can be snuffed out.   Modi is a lion protecting the Sanatana Dharma.  Kaishmir Shaivism is starting to make a slow comeback.  This knowledge and culture is worth protecting for the sake of the liberation of the entire world.  

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[The Crocodile]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Then why didn’t they provide evidence Pakistan was directly involved in the attack?

In an interview with Sky News the Pakistani minister of defense admitted that Pakistan has sponsored terrorism, and India played that clip at the UN and leaned heavily on it.

Also Pakistan shouldn't really exist at all.

[zazen]

What’s gotten into India - they’re escalating big time as if it’s Israel striking Gaza and not a neighbouring country they have nuclear parity with. Bonkers.

Suspending the Indus Water Treaty, denying neutral investigation, 9 strikes not only in the disputed territory of Kashmir but Pakistan proper - breaching their sovereignty, yesterday Israeli drones across the country, and now this. 

 

Strikes at the military HQ near the capital. 

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[BlueOak]

6 minutes ago, zazen said:

What’s gotten into India - they’re escalating big time as if it’s Israel striking Gaza and not a neighbouring country they have nuclear parity with. Bonkers.

Far right government vs Military Dictatorship in a time where war is not only normalized but supported and backed by industry.

As i've said 5 million times the world has shifted way too far authoritarian and right with no counterbalance or authority which supercedes nation states with a more benevolent mandate. I watched Osho say dissolve world governments, and I face-palmed, because that's not going to address the root cause of any of this. What good would it do to have this on regional levels or even a global authority sharing the mindset these countries' populations do?

All we've done by removing western liberal influence globally is replace it with an authority that sets the planet back several hundred years, and I what I can't believe is nobody on this planet but me and a few others can see it. Yes it looks different, yes it has different moral frameworks, but expansion is still the goal, and violence is still the tool of it.


 

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

In this situation, Sadhguru is right.  Pakistan can’t be allowed to use terrorism as a method of covert warfare and then claim their state wasn’t involved.   India has a long history of being brutalized by Islamic rulers for centuries and they just aren’t going to take it anymore. The forces of darkness in the world are strong and the light can be snuffed out.   Modi is a lion protecting the Sanatana Dharma.  Kaishmir Shaivism is starting to make a slow comeback.  This knowledge and culture is worth protecting for the sake of the liberation of the entire world.  

And India can't just walk all over disputed territories or cut off water supplies without consequence. Two far right governments with territorial disputes and people waging war all over the world are not likely to coexist peacefully. Yes terrorism is abhorrent, but the balance is off, and further violence will off-balance us further. Which is what's happening. Its like complaining about symptoms of the issue.

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[Raze]

Cutting off the water will be more complicated. It will take time to build dams to do it, and during that time international pressure could stop the construction, also China could cut off the water to India.

 The issue is both sides feel obligated to strike back for every strike because they get struck and stop, it puts them in jeopardy as they look weak and their internal opposition can capitalize on it. 

[zazen]

@Raze

True, dams will take time and Pakistan has said they will strike them as it puts the entire country at existential risk. Aggressively symbolic and high risk to even entertain it.

There’s usually an escalation ladder that is climbed over time but India’s obliterating it and going for the jugular it seems.

@BlueOak Turbulent times indeed.

Thing is, Pakistan has been both an enabler and a victim of terrorism. Its past haunts it from the days the US turned it into a jihadist bulwark against USSR.

I read somewhere: Pakistan is the condom the US used to enter Afghanistan lol

These groups don’t just disappear once the parties over they’ve served their purpose, they splinter.

Terrorisms such a loaded term to label a country or people also. A lot of complexity involved - Pakistan has been tarnished for decades by it and misunderstood.

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[kbone]

Yeah, having spent considerable time in the various mountain ranges of that area in both countries, it's a drag to see how this is being escalated so quickly. The promoted hatred on both sides was always pretty consistent. Unfortunately, we are likely only in the opening months/years of a repetitive back and forth with very few cooler heads prevailing.

[zazen]

@kbone  it’s a beautiful region.

India is forcing Pakistans hand to now retaliate. Let’s see what happens - maybe tonight.

[kbone]

@zazen An incredible region. I was fortunate to be able to see so much of the Karakorams before 9/11 after which it became more questionable to be a solo trekker. A majority of the ranges in India are not up in that area, of course, so it was pretty easy to navigate. I spent a majority of my 'domestic simplicity' stints with occasional week-long treks in the Nanda Devi region, which is a relatively undeveloped area other than the Shiva-yatri in Badrinath.

The people up in the villages were just golden (at least a majority). Something about mountain villages and the people there... such simplicity, which was a big focus at that time in my life. Buenoooo.

[Harikrishnan]

Audacity of this idiot.

[Harikrishnan]

Pakistan has violated the ceasefire agreement.

[Harikrishnan]

And for people here saying India denied neutral investigation. You dont even know history of this. What happend to dossiers shared with pakistan on 2008 mumbai attack and 2016 pathankot  airbase attack? Terrorist are sleeping with military there. Unlike Israel we are not attacking civilians, we attacked there terrorist hideouts. 

[zazen]

@Harikrishnan so much fog of war it’s hard to know what’s what atm. I think India did get a bit shaken by Pakistans response and the downing of the jets which shows clear air superiority. India would defeat Pakistan if it were alone, but Chinas advancements give it an asymmetric edge.

Imagine going up against a country backed by the world’s largest manufacturer - who’ll supply it with endless missiles and drones bleeding out India in a war of attrition. India isn’t even bordered by any allies the way Ukraine was in order to be supported.

Pakistani jets entered Indian airspace last night to conduct their retaliation, Indian jets haven’t dared enter Pakistans. Military analysis aside…

Zooming out - yes, India has suffered from higher profile terrorist attacks - because they are perceived as the occupying force in Kashmir. Which is why the terrorist attacks flow in one direction - against the occupier. That said, Pakistan has also suffered lower profile but more frequent terrorism but internally - due to insurgency and blowback from their US collaborated history against the soviets.

If I had to boil down this shit show: 

When a people are denied their UN-recognized right to self-determination, they will inevitably resist (even violently) those who self proclaim the right to deny it. This is the situation with Kashmir and Palestine and the crux of the issue.

India and Israel can’t determine another groups life, who have an internationally enshrined right to self determine their own. It’s like if you give someone the right to a million €, but deny them access to it - aren’t they going to fight for something they have a right to? Isn’t it inevitable they get desperately violent the longer they are denied that right? Hence the “terrorism” never disappears until its underlying cause does so.

 

Edited May 10 by zazen

[kbone]