Non duality as a part of daily life

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why don't you become millionaire if it's so easy? Rockefeller 

You have to want love it. 

And the ego is very strong.

Edited Thursday at 07:42 PM by Schizophonia

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

 

No duality, no suffering, but no enjoyment either. 

Just a mental barrier , something that closes. 

[Sugarcoat]

 

7 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Egoic duality is about relationship - thoughts and actions. Only by the two becoming one does duality cease. You can't do it solo. If you think others have something to give you, you are trapped. Others are the ultimate reality. See this and be still

I think u can do it solo

Edited Thursday at 08:49 PM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could say that reality is interconnected, but saying that reality is not dual...well, there is me and there is you, if they cutt my leg is a big shit, if they cut your leg it's a big shit too, but let's see...it's not the same.

it’s def a big shit. Well on that topic, do you know of any good way to deal with physical pain? Any tricks from Mr mystic ?

Edited Thursday at 08:51 PM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Non duality is simply a lie. If there is something that you can't control, there is duality, then there is infinite duality. If duality means that ultimately everything is the same substance, what with that? It's a separate form, then it's another. All non dualistics are people who tries to make scuare the circle

lmao what that even mean 

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes, but you have no passions and you even take antipsychotics instead of anxiety medication.

Happiness lies in social connections and building a tomorrow.

 

just because many people work like that doesn’t mean I do

 

[Breakingthewall]

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

it’s def a big shit. Well on that topic, do you know of any good way to deal with physical pain? Any tricks from Mr mystic ?

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

 I guess that being always in an absolute perspective then pain is the same than pleasure, but who can be in an absolute perspective more than some moments? Then the relative perspective returns and pain is just pain. You could see bit better, things become less hostile, you stop rejecting the bad thing so much I guess, but I don't know until what level. 

Edited Thursday at 09:37 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

lmao what that even mean 

Saying things like: reality is imaginary. If it's "reality", should be "real". Saying reality is imaginary is saying that the circle is square. Confusion. Or maybe I don't get it

[Carl-Richard]

This thread you just made is a pointer called "you are already there, you just forgot about it", and it's very effective (at least for me 😂).

The truth is that as you say, we experience dissolution of the self very often (albeit in short bursts for most people), but we generally don't identify with the dissolutioned state, so it doesn't catch on, the ego rebuilds itself very quickly again. If you dissolve the ego so much that it becomes crystal clear that it's not who you are, and if you are constantly breaking and investigating the identification, at some point, you get a release and a switch happens and you realize "ah, it's me! It was always here, I just forgot!". And then you exist in that state for a while, but even then, the ego reconfigures itself after a while, but it becomes much easier to get back to that state (and the more you do it, the more it sticks, until eventually, you have to actually force yourself to not be there).

[gettoefl]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Non duality is simply a lie. If there is something that you can't control, there is duality, then there is infinite duality. If duality means that ultimately everything is the same substance, what with that? It's a separate form, then it's another. All non dualistics are people who tries to make scuare the circle

If duality is, then non-duality isn't. If non-duality is, then duality isn't. I mean who are you bro? One must decide the lens that reflects truth and not by what fits the logic but by what embraces the Logos.

Edited yesterday at 11:05 AM by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

If duality is, then non-duality isn't. If non-duality is, then duality isn't. I mean who are you bro? One must decide the lens that reflects truth and not by what fits the logic but by what embraces the Logos.

There is a dualistic perspective and a non-dualistic perspective, and both are true. Duality is a fact, there are others. 

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is a dualistic perspective and a non-dualistic perspective, and both are true. Duality is a fact, there are others. 

Yes two perspectives but one is better. Why because it's a step to God. God cannot know duality. Truth knows the truth the whole and nothing but the truth. Changeless can't mix with changeful. In short, non-duality is a necessary stepping-stone and duality is a superfluous stumbling block.

[Sugarcoat]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 I guess that being always in an absolute perspective then pain is the same than pleasure, but who can be in an absolute perspective more than some moments? Then the relative perspective returns and pain is just pain. You could see bit better, things become less hostile, you stop rejecting the bad thing so much I guess, but I don't know until what level. 

Hard to not judge pain

[Sugarcoat]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Saying things like: reality is imaginary. If it's "reality", should be "real". Saying reality is imaginary is saying that the circle is square. Confusion. Or maybe I don't get it

Yea people say different things..

[Sugarcoat]

22 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

This thread you just made is a pointer called "you are already there, you just forgot about it", and it's very effective (at least for me 😂).

The truth is that as you say, we experience dissolution of the self very often (albeit in short bursts for most people), but we generally don't identify with the dissolutioned state, so it doesn't catch on, the ego rebuilds itself very quickly again. If you dissolve the ego so much that it becomes crystal clear that it's not who you are, and if you are constantly breaking and investigating the identification, at some point, you get a release and a switch happens and you realize "ah, it's me! It was always here, I just forgot!". And then you exist in that state for a while, but even then, the ego reconfigures itself after a while, but it becomes much easier to get back to that state (and the more you do it, the more it sticks, until eventually, you have to actually force yourself to not be there).

Oh to reach that place…

[Osaid]

On 5/1/2025 at 4:53 AM, Sugarcoat said:

To me it seems I exist

That's right, but you just aren't separate.

On 5/1/2025 at 4:53 AM, Sugarcoat said:

if I ask myself, “what am I” , I’d point to my head… 

That would be separate, or other than you.

If you concede that you are a head, then at that point there is no difference between you and your head, and so there isn't actually either thing since they aren't distinct from each other. The distinction is imagined.

Edited 9 hours ago by Osaid