Non duality as a part of daily life

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Contradictory

No, what I mean is that if you're in a nondual state, like an animal or a child, it's impossible for you to transcend the energetic barriers that keep you totally immersed in this experience like an evolving robot. It's not even possible for you to seriously consider the possibility of doing so. You might meditate to feel better, but nothing more. But if you've reached a psychotic moment in which, rather than duality, there's serious alienation, there's the possibility of breaking down the genetic barriers and opening the experience to the whole.

This isn't returning to the nondual experience like a cat; it's stepping outside the framework of experience, its limits, and opening yourself to your infinite nature.

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

? But if they don’t perceive limitations then isn’t that the full non dual?

Yes I guess so, but non dual is a limited idea, its possible to open the experience to its unlimited nature, that's beyond non duality 

[Osaid]

Pretty much. It (ego) only appears as if it "always exists" by referencing time, like the past. Otherwise there's literally just what exists, not what used to exist, or what will exist.

It's as if someone believed they were inside the reflection of a mirror. If you asked such a person, "Who or what are you?", in response to the question they would have to hold up the mirror and point at it and say "There, that's me!".

Similarly, in self-inquiry, you ask "What am I?", and in response to the question you hold up all the thoughts and beliefs about yourself, and you say "There, that's me!".

 

Edited Thursday at 05:08 AM by Osaid

[Salvijus]

11 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

You mean laughter breaks the human ego? To different degrees?

The personal sense of self is like a condensed, contracted energy. When you laugh, some of this tension gets released. You can't hold seriousness when you're laughing. That's why people love laughter. It feels freeing. It is Freedom itself. You could say God conciousness is very high pitch inaudible laughter that just feels like bliss and freedom. If there's some stuck energy in you then it will come out as tears and laughter, but if you're clean then you'll just smile and praise the Almighty. 

Edited Thursday at 08:28 AM by Salvijus

[gettoefl]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you are a kid you are all time in no dual experience but it's still limited. I think that you have to reach a point of unbearable, alienating, almost psychotic duality to decide to reverse that process. Then, if you reach a non-dual state, like a child, you realize that's not enough. You are no longer a child; you have to go beyond, break the experience, and open yourself to the whole.

No child can do that because they are absolutely immersed in the experience; like an animal, they cannot transcend it. There are natural genetic barriers made of fear that are impossible for a child to break.

the progression for me is: impotence to ignorance to innocence to infinite 

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes I guess so, but non dual is a limited idea, its possible to open the experience to its unlimited nature, that's beyond non duality 

It’s beyond the idea of non duality…you don’t wanna be stuck on mind level exactly 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Salvijus said:

The personal sense of self is like a condensed, contracted energy. When you laugh, some of this tension gets released. You can't hold seriousness when you're laughing. That's why people love laughter. It feels freeing. It is Freedom itself. You could say God conciousness is very high pitch inaudible laughter that just feels like bliss and freedom. If there's some stuck energy in you then it will come out as tears and laughter, but if you're clean then you'll just smile and praise the Almighty. 

I don’t laugh much nowadays maybe I should…

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Osaid said:

Pretty much. It (ego) only appears as if it "always exists" by referencing time, like the past. Otherwise there's literally just what exists, not what used to exist, or what will exist.

It's as if someone believed they were inside the reflection of a mirror. If you asked such a person, "Who or what are you?", in response to the question they would have to hold up the mirror and point at it and say "There, that's me!".

Similarly, in self-inquiry, you ask "What am I?", and in response to the question you hold up all the thoughts and beliefs about yourself, and you say "There, that's me!".

 

To me it seems I exist all the time because I imagine myself so much. I’m not sure though. 
 

if I ask myself, “what am I” , I’d point to my head… 

Edited Thursday at 10:53 AM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s beyond the idea of non duality…you don’t wanna be stuck on mind level exactly 

non-duality means that everything is one, but not what is that.

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s different from when someone reaches a mindless, selfless state in for example meditation. That is done with intent and one is looking to reach that mindless state and selfless state and lock it down. It’s also devoid of a bunch of stimulation. In the case of stimulation, yes you’re pretty mindless but it’s like the content you’re consuming is doing the thinking instead of your mind, so it’s still a kind of mind activity. The selfless and mindless state from for example meditation is also grounded and rooted as you mentioned. So it’s higher tier.

 

Smart deduction. 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

non-duality means that everything is one, but not what is that.

And you say it’s the absence of limits 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Smart deduction. 

What is that?

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

And you say it’s the absence of limits 

 

Conceptually, the closest thing would be to say that ultimate reality is the absence of limits, o infinite being, but what we seek is to break the limits and be without limits, then you recognize what you are beyond this form. To do that, you have to understand the barriers you are putting up and dissolve them

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Conceptually, the closest thing would be to say that ultimate reality is the absence of limits, o infinite being, but what we seek is to break the limits and be without limits, then you recognize what you are beyond this form. To do that, you have to understand the barriers you are putting up and dissolve them

Yea I know this goes beyond the conceptual, but for now I’m stuck in conceptual not gonna lie. That’s very obvious to me. I wanna do psychedelics and breathwork to see what that can do. I have shed many layers to self but it seems the last layer I can’t shed it’s like rock solid imagination of my brain

Edited Thursday at 11:29 AM by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, what I mean is that if you're in a nondual state, like an animal or a child, it's impossible for you to transcend the energetic barriers that keep you totally immersed in this experience like an evolving robot. It's not even possible for you to seriously consider the possibility of doing so. You might meditate to feel better, but nothing more. But if you've reached a psychotic moment in which, rather than duality, there's serious alienation, there's the possibility of breaking down the genetic barriers and opening the experience to the whole.

This isn't returning to the nondual experience like a cat; it's stepping outside the framework of experience, its limits, and opening yourself to your infinite nature.

I don't understand why you say that children and animals are closer to non-duality while at the same time you tacitly imply that they are more positivist than adults.

The older and more mature you are, the more you realize the complexity of the world, the closer you feel to others, and the closer you come to a non-dual state.

Unless you're crazy; You talk about psychosis, but precisely psychotics live in a fantasy world.
Children are closer to psychosis than adults.

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What is that?

I thought it was clever to say that stimulation = mental discourse in the constitution of the sense of self, that's all.

It's a punctual reaction.

Edited Thursday at 11:32 AM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I thought it was clever to say that stimulation = mental discourse in the constitution of the sense of self, that's all.

It's a punctual reaction.

Ok so it was positive 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t laugh much nowadays maybe I should…

It's the ultimate medicine

Edited Thursday at 11:55 AM by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok so it was positive 

Yes.

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Hey, that's me!

Eheh.

[Sugarcoat]

Can this brain please stop imagining itself I’m tired of this duality