I Hate Women

[Breakingthewall]

42 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Oh what I power I have to be able to access sex easily, life is so good! It just cured all my misery!

That's because you are not a narcissist then you don't see your power, because for you that's nothing, just misery and falsehood that worths zero, but most of people see a brilliant thing that they confuse with success and happiness and they become a kind of drug addicts of approval and social reinforcement, and their greatest glory is having many admiring and idolizing followers. To achieve this, they build a personality that fits with that of the other party. Look at Only Fans, for example. It's taken to the level of caricature. 

But the reality is that most people have that virus to a greater or lesser extent. They are puppets dancing to the tune of narcissism. They believe they are happy because they wear a mask of happiness, but underneath they are empty. They only dance activated by their drug. And of course they don't see it, and if someone mentions it, they will think they are bitter or a loser.

[Schizophonia]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's because you are not a narcissist then you don't see your power, because for you that's nothing, just misery and falsehood that worths zero, but most of people see a brilliant thing that they confuse with success and happiness and they become a kind of drug addicts of approval and social reinforcement, and their greatest glory is having many admiring and idolizing followers. To achieve this, they build a personality that fits with that of the other party. Look at Only Fans, for example. It's taken to the level of caricature. 

But the reality is that most people have that virus to a greater or lesser extent. They are puppets dancing to the tune of narcissism. They believe they are happy because they wear a mask of happiness, but underneath they are empty. They only dance activated by their drug. And of course they don't see it, and if someone mentions it, they will think they are bitter or a loser.

She suffer from depersonalization/derealisation, is under neuroleptic, and even if we stick to the relationship problem she is not sociable and has its own psychic flaws in general which can generate unwanted results in this area; As everyone else.

Look how you jump on her answer to force your paradigm.

Edited Friday at 11:00 AM by Schizophonia

[Breakingthewall]

58 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

She suffer from depersonalization/derealisation, is under neuroleptic, and even if we stick to the relationship problem she is not sociable and has its own psychic flaws in general which can generate unwanted results in this area; As everyone else.

Look how you jump on her answer to force your paradigm.

No, I just said that her way is not narcissist, it doesn't means that she hasn't other issues, but not this one. It's rare because most of people is very focused in their ego, but doesn't mean better mental health, just not seeking reward in the image that you project in others

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

He's speaking from a relational point of view, I think.

I don’t know what that means

[Schizophonia]

28 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know what that means

About relations, especially intimate ones.

[Emerald]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, I just said that her way is not narcissist, it doesn't means that she hasn't other issues, but not this one. It's rare because most of people is very focused in their ego, but doesn't mean better mental health, just not seeking reward in the image that you project in others

It's actually not too common for women to put a lot of value in the ability to get sex whenever because the risks are high and the rewards are low to moderate... as sex with random men doesn't really give women what they really want from sex (which is the emotional experience of being close to a lover).

And we also can't build much of a positive identity around getting male attention because getting male attention doesn't mean anything positive about ourselves... it's just what men do.

So, if you're aware (like most women are) that approaching women and wanting to have sex with women is just what men do, access to sex with many men can't really be used to inflate your ego if you get easy sex with a man.

If anything, there's a collective positive identity erosion around women who have sex with a lot of men.

So, while a man might think of his number of sexual partners as something that adds sometime positive to his identity story... it doesn't operate the same way for women. Instead, it is either identity-neutral or identity-negative. 

Also, men tend to have lower risks and higher rewards from sex with random women. So, men value access to sex with man women more than women value access to sex with many men, because it's genuinely enjoyable for men and gives them the benefits they're looking for from sex.

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It's actually not too common for women to put a lot of value in the ability to get sex whenever because the risks are high and the rewards are low to moderate... as sex with random men doesn't really give women what they really want from sex (which is the emotional experience of being close to a lover).

And we also can't build much of a positive identity around getting male attention because getting male attention doesn't mean anything positive about ourselves... it's just what men do.

So, if you're aware (like most women are) that approaching women and wanting to have sex with women is just what men do, access to sex with many men can't really be used to inflate your ego if you get easy sex with a man.

If anything, there's a collective positive identity erosion around women who have sex with a lot of men.

So, while a man might think of his number of sexual partners as something that adds sometime positive to his identity story... it doesn't operate the same way for women. Instead, it is either identity-neutral or identity-negative. 

Also, men tend to have lower risks and higher rewards from sex with random women. So, men value access to sex with man women more than women value access to sex with many men, because it's genuinely enjoyable for men and gives them the benefits they're looking for from sex.

Yeah in general, women find random sex humiliating. What they find stimulating is the attention and, at a given moment, having a man they consider high-value tied to them.

[Twentyfirst]

Women always say that they have it just as hard, if not harder, than men...which proves they have no capacity to empathize or understand the male experience. If they did the wouldn't be claiming that. Lol it's pretty funny actually 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Women always say that they have it just as hard, if not harder, than men

That true, they have it much harder because their real goal is finding a life partner who meets certain standards in a relationship that works and grows over time with great monogamous sex, commitment and social life together. Their entire game is geared toward that end, and many, if not most, fail, as it's a difficult goal.

Edited Friday at 06:40 PM by Breakingthewall

[Twentyfirst]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That true, they have it much harder because their real goal is finding a life partner who meets certain standards in a relationship that works and grows over time with great monogamous sex, commitment and social life together. Their entire game is geared toward that end, and many, if not most, fail, as it's a difficult goal.

I have said this before on this forum many times but women have never had this burden until a hundred years ago. Forever they had their father pick suitors and where they didn't have to worry about this. Women are not designed to make decisions that's why they always pick wrong or can't choose where to eat. It's not a necessary burden to have they can just go back to the way things were but mens burdens are necessary. If you think that women should make decisions then you don't understand feminine energy just yet

If a woman has a harder life than a man then that means that man is underperforming 

Edited Friday at 06:58 PM by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Women are not designed to make decisions that's why they always pick wrong

Well, theoretically society is evolving toward a more conscious place where women and men can find more fulfilling and authentic ways of relating, and along the way there are mistakes and suffering. But of course, "theoretically" doesn't mean it will be achieved; there are no guarantees, but it's the path that is taking place.

Furthermore, there is overpopulation on the planet, technology is evolving, and if half the population is single, it's not so dramatic (well, for some, it is). I don't think returning to the old ways is a possibility.

[Emerald]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah in general, women find random sex humiliating. What they find stimulating is the attention and, at a given moment, having a man they consider high-value tied to them.

I don't think most women find random sex humiliating... just a bit under-stimulating and uninteresting for the level of risk that's involved. Like, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Back in my single days, I've had one-night-stands, and I'm not embarrassed about it. I just didn't find those experiences very interesting or gratifying because the emotional satisfaction was lacking.

And I think that's how most women would relate to those kinds of experiences as long as she felt like she made that decision to have sex from a sovereign place and she doesn't subscribe to a value system that assigns a lot of shame to female sexuality or to sexuality in general.

But I don't really think very many women create a positive identity narrative based on how many men are giving them attention... regardless of what the value judgment on those men is.

My experience has been that, while there can be an identity based in something like beauty and style which relates to male attention in a round-about way, the male attention element isn't easily woven into a positive identity story.

And that's because male attention (including but not limited to sex) is just something that women can expect and it's very common to get. 

Once you get past a certain age (like 13 or 14), you have already detached your identity from male attention because you realize how impersonal and common it is.

It's less common that an an adult woman would puff up her identity by thinking "Look at how many men are interested in me." Like on the rare occasion you hear an adult woman bragging about that, it's showing a kind of naiveté about the meaning of male attention that most women learn when they're in their teens.

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

She suffer from depersonalization/derealisation, is under neuroleptic, and even if we stick to the relationship problem she is not sociable and has its own psychic flaws in general which can generate unwanted results in this area; As everyone else.

Look how you jump on her answer to force your paradigm.

Eyyy who let you just write out my problems like that😂

I don’t have derealization/depersonalization btw although it’s similar to it. The rest was right

[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's because you are not a narcissist then you don't see your power, because for you that's nothing, just misery and falsehood that worths zero, but most of people see a brilliant thing that they confuse with success and happiness and they become a kind of drug addicts of approval and social reinforcement, and their greatest glory is having many admiring and idolizing followers. To achieve this, they build a personality that fits with that of the other party. Look at Only Fans, for example. It's taken to the level of caricature. 

But the reality is that most people have that virus to a greater or lesser extent. They are puppets dancing to the tune of narcissism. They believe they are happy because they wear a mask of happiness, but underneath they are empty. They only dance activated by their drug. And of course they don't see it, and if someone mentions it, they will think they are bitter or a loser.

It’s in my lone wolf independent nature to not care what people think.  
 

Maybe what you say fits more younger people, I’m imagining stereotypically like college culture, because for example I work at kindergarten with middle aged women and they seem pretty genuine to me, with balanced egos . Maybe it lessens with age and the maturity that comes with that

Edited Friday at 08:43 PM by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Eyyy who let you just write out my problems like that😂

They are public ? 

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t have derealization/depersonalization btw although it’s similar to it. The rest was right

It was to put a word on it.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

They are public ? 

It was to put a word on it.

It’s ok

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

About relations, especially intimate ones.

Women tend to have more options when it comes to sex that’s pretty much it

[Schizophonia]

23 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Women tend to have more options when it comes to sex that’s pretty much it

Yes.

 

Edited Friday at 09:12 PM by Schizophonia

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, theoretically society is evolving toward a more conscious place where women and men can find more fulfilling and authentic ways of relating, and along the way there are mistakes and suffering. But of course, "theoretically" doesn't mean it will be achieved; there are no guarantees, but it's the path that is taking place.

Furthermore, there is overpopulation on the planet, technology is evolving, and if half the population is single, it's not so dramatic (well, for some, it is). I don't think returning to the old ways is a possibility.

Society may be moving towards a certain direction but humans aren't evolving with it. Deep down a father knows he should have some say in who the woman spends her life with, deep down the woman knows she should have some form of her fathers blessing, and deep down the potential suitor knows instinctively that he should get permission of the father

I don't think people who want to genuinely have families should have to worry about overpopulation. But if someone doesn't then it would help that issue. I am not a fan of forcing people who really don't want to have that life

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, Emerald said:

don't think most women find random sex humiliating... just a bit under-stimulating and uninteresting for the level of risk that's involved. Like, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

may not be clearly perceived, but use to be due to the dynamic between the sexes. I suppose there are some women who don't have that emotional way, but most do. Most men, after casual sex, would pay a good amount of money to be immediately teleported to their bed alone. You've fed the devil inside you, and there's nothing else you can do about it. Women don't process things that way; they're horny, have a lot of fantasies and want sex, but it's not a necessity, it's something that have to be good in many senses, not just physical. 

14 hours ago, Emerald said:

But I don't really think very many women create a positive identity narrative based on how many men are giving them attention... regardless of what the value judgment on those men is

Well, maybe not consciously, but go out on a summer day in the city and see how the girls dress. They look like they're going to a erection-inducing contest, right? They don't seek direct attention from men; in fact, it bothers them. They want to be seen as high-value, and to do that, they have to be sexy, and that implies attention. It's paradoxical, the direct attention bothers them but the total lack of attention is dramatic because implies that they worth noting.