What is experience?

[Sugarcoat]

17 hours ago, Norbert Somogyi said:

On one hand I find it fascinating, given how it would mean an infinite creative potential. The ability to create a universe/multiverse with its' laws, matter, life and eventually humanity from which it can rediscover itself (one of seemingly infinite points of view). All in perpetual, dynamic motion of self-emergence.

On the other hand it means perpetual loneliness. Which may be one of the reason why things are being this way, assuming separation and the ability to relate to one another - yourself. In case it entails Absolute Love, perhaps it can only be shared this way?

What if there are an infinite alternate timelines or existences, which can mean infinite solipsistic selves (oh, the paradox). Would they be able to interact with one another? What if human genetics restricts the ability of one's consciousness to grow beyond a certain point, solipsism being the highest at this point in time? What if evolution applies to genes that govern individual sensitivity to spirituality and awakening, and as we go on this threshold grows? 

What about aliens, are they part of it despite us not being conscious of them?

What if solipsism is but a stepping stone, and consciousness can realize higher truths? Like Infinity of Gods, but then realize it is all the same imagination, coming back to Solipsism but on a higher plane. This can result in an infinite cycle of individual and collective Solipsism so to speak, just like how the spiral evolves in a similar fashion. Swinging the pendulum between individualistic and collectivistic orientations, as the realizations become more and more God-like.

A lot to ponder…

[Ishanga]

Everyone that is born has Experience, how they interpret that is up to them and their conditioning and learning.. but even here, no one agrees to what Experience is, is it all that everyone is saying lol, so this is why the world is how it is, its intellectual, ideological, so much so that this is more real than real, so that even the simplest thing seems individual to what a person thinks and believes, which can change at any time when new data is inputted, so that is why the world as it is now will never get together, is more insane than ever and we are basically doomed unless something serious happens or a reset happens...

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

A lot to ponder…

You will continue to ponder for the rest of Your life, then it will be the last moment and wonder what was it about, but then its too late!

Become a How person, rather than a why person continuing to ask question upon question and get more confused as you on pondering..

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You will continue to ponder for the rest of Your life, then it will be the last moment and wonder what was it about, but then its too late!

Become a How person, rather than a why person continuing to ask question upon question and get more confused as you on pondering..

Hahaha I don’t mind pondering . You could ask the question, how? And get to know how through pondering 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Hahaha I don’t mind pondering . You could ask the question, how? And get to know how through pondering 

No, pondering is like simple contemplation, which has a place in the beginning, sooner or later action has to take place, that won't happen via pondering, and we ponder too much nowadays, what is happening in ppl's minds is more real than anything, the touch of a flower on your finger, and such, so action has to happen...Forums are good but up to a point they are not so good... 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

No, pondering is like simple contemplation, which has a place in the beginning, sooner or later action has to take place, that won't happen via pondering, and we ponder too much nowadays, what is happening in ppl's minds is more real than anything, the touch of a flower on your finger, and such, so action has to happen...Forums are good but up to a point they are not so good... 

I agree. That’s if you want results

Edited April 22 by Sugarcoat

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I agree. That’s if you want results

No results, then once again on death bed wondering what it was all about but too late...You see when Potential is unexplored and not Experience then that is tragedy, which is the general state of the world unfortunately...

Edited April 22 by Ishanga

[Sugarcoat]

23 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

No results, then once again on death bed wondering what it was all about but too late...You see when Potential is unexplored and not Experience then that is tragedy, which is the general state of the world unfortunately...

People can gain some happiness by achieving desirable results in whatever area

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

No results, then once again on death bed wondering what it was all about but too late

Too late for what?

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

so that is why the world as it is now will never get together, is more insane than ever and we are basically doomed unless something serious happens or a reset happens..

How do you know this is not what "get together" looks like. What do you think should happen; everybody agrees and sing kumbaya together and live happily ever after. What's the difference between people arguing and fighting and people kissing and making out or just being joyous. NOTHING, except for different frequency and energetic patterns. There's rain and there's hurricane. Do you tell nature it is doomed and it needs to reset so it only rains without the wind that causes destruction. No, you ride it out and hide under your bed when the tornado comes. We accept whatever nature gives us and sends our way but you want to separate yourself from nature saying we're doomed and need to reset because in your mind it needs to be some other way. If this isn't delusion, I don't know what is. 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How do you know this is not what "get together" looks like. What do you think should happen; everybody agrees and sing kumbaya together and live happily ever after. What's the difference between people arguing and fighting and people kissing and making out or just being joyous. NOTHING, except for different frequency and energetic patterns. There's rain and there's hurricane. Do you tell nature it is doomed and it needs to reset so it only rains without the wind that causes destruction. No, you ride it out and hide under your bed when the tornado comes. We accept whatever nature gives us and sends our way but you want to separate yourself from nature saying we're doomed and need to reset because in your mind it needs to be some other way. If this isn't delusion, I don't know what is. 

Your examples are null and void, nature does not have the choice capacity like we do.

How should life be I think? Well I'll make it simple, when I go out to do things or even go to work, there are problems arising that don't have to be there, ppl just not concerned about anything other than themselves, in their driving habits, in how they just are, in a rush all the time, the anxiety level here in this big city is palpable for sure!  There are many many other examples but it would take too long to detail, its not about Kumbaya, being Joyful or Blissful of Your own nature is not about party time, hugging ppl, expressing love via words all the time, its about the Intensity of Your Experience that is Empowering to other life, that really are not "Other" as we are completely connected to one another and too nature, its just we have choice, nature has no choice, its completely Karma dependent, cause and effect, we are not and no body virtually is using this in their life, their totally dependent and conditioned!

Edited April 22 by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Your examples are null and void, nature does not have the choice capacity like we do.

How should life be I think? Well I'll make it simple, when I go out to do things or even go to work, there are problems arising that don't have to be there, ppl just not concerned about anything other than themselves, in their driving habits, in how they just are, in a rush all the time, the anxiety level here in this big city is palpable for sure!  There are many many other examples but it would take too long to detail, its not about Kumbaya, being Joyful or Blissful of Your own nature is not about party time, hugging ppl, expressing love via words all the time, its about the Intensity of Your Experience that is Empowering to other life, that really are not "Other" as we are completely connected to one another and too nature, its just we have choice, nature has no choice, its completely Karma dependent, cause and effect, we are not and no body virtually is using this in their life, their totally dependent and conditioned!

There was a guy named Joshua Slocum who sailed solo around the world on a small sailboat in 1900 with no money. If you don't like the city, you could do like him. At the end he died at sea, but probably its better this than dying in a hospital 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

There was a guy named Joshua Slocum who sailed solo around the world on a small sailboat in 1900 with no money. If you don't like the city, you could do like him. At the end he died at sea, but probably its better this than dying in a hospital 

Right now I can't do things like this, too many responsibilities lol, wife, bills, job and such things,.,But I have at times in my life taken risks, not like sailing around on the ocean but risks per say it was good overall and turned out to be very beneficial, hope to do that again in the future:)

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Right now I can't do things like this, too many responsibilities lol, wife, bills, job and such things,.,But I have at times in my life taken risks, not like sailing around on the ocean but risks per say it was good overall and turned out to be very beneficial, hope to do that again in the future:)

If you don't like the city, being there is a hell, it can ruin your life. I understand that we can't do whatever we want, but if something is clearly negative, we have to get out of there somehow. Money is always a problem of course, but you said it above, we have to do not just think 

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you don't like the city, being there is a hell, it can ruin your life. I understand that we can't do whatever we want, but if something is clearly negative, we have to get out of there somehow. Money is always a problem of course, but you said it above, we have to do not just think 

Yes for sure, wifey is starting to see it now too, but money is the problem lol.. I'm looking to get something going as a passive income but we'll see!!

The city for sure is a reflection of the general society and its painful to see how it is, especially in a rich country like Canada, lots of unconsciousness going on, everyday there are reminders of it, its like a part of me is in pain, so for sure have to get out of here someday but at my age I can't just give it all up in a quick action, gotta set things up first properly!!

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Yes for sure, wifey is starting to see it now too, but money is the problem lol.. I'm looking to get something going as a passive income but we'll see!!

The city for sure is a reflection of the general society and its painful to see how it is, especially in a rich country like Canada, lots of unconsciousness going on, everyday there are reminders of it, its like a part of me is in pain, so for sure have to get out of here someday but at my age I can't just give it all up in a quick action, gotta set things up first properly!!

The weather in Canada sure is very hard and depressing. Seems something banal but it's a big thing imo

[UnbornTao]

On 21/4/2025 at 1:33 AM, Sugarcoat said:

Experience is the sense that there is something going on, something existing. And that sense comes about because there’s a sense of a self. So sense of self creates sense of something, of experience Experience of something= sense of something 

Something along those lines is what I think. It’s based on my own experiences 

Very deep interesting topic 

A sense is experienced, so that doesn't seem to be it.

What if self is the ancillary process here, a result that comes about after experience, rather than the self being the foundation for it?

Edited Sunday at 03:54 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

On 21/4/2025 at 2:14 AM, Yimpa said:

 

I mean experience as in experiencing something, the occurrence of experience, not as expertise or knowledge. 

I say this because of the picture you posted which seems to be more related to the latter.

On 21/4/2025 at 2:29 AM, Osaid said:

What isn't experience?

I'd say that's the same question -- clarifying what it is, and thus isn't. Hey, maybe it is absolute, and in such a case this would be inconceivable.

It seems as though we conflate perception with experience. Something perceived seems to come prior to experience, which might come about as a process of interpreting and making sense of sense input. Perhaps.

Also, again, speculating, awareness isn't experience. It might be that awareness is at the source of experience. 

Edited Sunday at 03:53 PM by UnbornTao

[CARDOZZO]

something that is happening for myself (I)

[UnbornTao]

17 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

something that is happening for myself (I)

What is that something, and is it actually happening for yourself? For example, when perceiving an object, do we experience what it is? What is it that comes up for us in that encounter, relative to that thing, say, a banana? 

What if your self is happening to experience?